Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by pabloo

would you think about going semi legit by purchasing a sky itilia card and box?

No

[pabloo]

Originally Posted by Sirius

No

why to expensive?dont fancy a dish?

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by pabloo

why to expensive?dont fancy a dish?

No because it is theft and you already know the answer so why ask the question.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by pabloo

why to expensive?dont fancy a dish?

I don't need a dish i have cable and i am happy to pay the full subscription not lower myself to gutter level and steal or pay for a grey market cs server that is as dodgy as a dodgy thing from the planet dodgy. DPI is coming

[pabloo]

Originally Posted by Masque

No because it is theft and you already know the answer so why ask the question.

i believe there is a long running court case about this and it hasnt been settled yet,how is it theft if your paying sky itilia??

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I don't need a dish i have cable and i am happy to pay the full subscription not lower myself to gutter level and steal or pay for a grey market cs server that is as dodgy as a dodgy thing from the planet dodgy. DPI is coming

i am not talking about carshareing i am talking about paying sky itilia and getting a legit card/box

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I don't need a dish i have cable and i am happy to pay the full subscription not lower myself to gutter level and steal or pay for a grey market cs server that is as dodgy as a dodgy thing from the planet dodgy. DPI is coming

Originally Posted by Sirius

Thats why i NEVER EVER use torrents any more. Its SSL newsgroups all the way for me.

Dont worry i am not stalking you someone today just bummped the Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS? and i was reading through it and you posted that on the 4th page..tut tut tut

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by pabloo

i believe there is a long running court case about this and it hasnt been settled yet,how is it theft if your paying sky itilia??

So are you saying that there is no clause in there contract when you sign up for the subscription that's says not to be used in country's not covered by there broadcast rights area and reselling the service outside of that area is forbidden.

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Originally Posted by pabloo

i believe there is a long running court case about this and it hasnt been settled yet,how is it theft if your paying sky itilia??

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i am not talking about carshareing i am talking about paying sky itilia and getting a legit card/box

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Dont worry i am not stalking you someone today just bummped the Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS? and i was reading through it and you posted that on the 4th page..tut tut tut

Yep i download my legal content from the newsgroups as i get a good connection. Plus i dont even use paid for servers now as i can use VM's servers for my updates.

There are lots of legal streaming sites now from itv vm, bbc, Sky, the list goes on.

Here's a demo for you

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...2010_Week_Two/

[pabloo]

yea theres a clause in the contract that is signed in ITALY lol its not even signed by you,why would you worry?

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[Kymmy]

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[Peter_]

Originally Posted by pabloo

i believe there is a long running court case about this and it hasnt been settled yet,how is it theft if your paying sky itilia??

I think you will find that it is still illegal to view that in this country and any court case will be in favour of it staying illegal.

[pabloo]

Originally Posted by Masque

I think you will find that it is still illegal to view that in this country and any court case will be in favour of it staying illegal.

well technically yes because that case is about showing it in a public house,but i am talking about private houses,for all football fans i am sure if they knew they were paying sky itilia they wouldnt have a problem with that particular setup here in the uk,what do you think about people who pay sky itilia their full subs and have this in their homes in the uk??

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Masque

I think you will find that it is still illegal to view that in this country and any court case will be in favour of it staying illegal.

I think you will find that EU free trade laws actually make this far from a cut and dry case. We're going to have to wait till next year until we can truly say if it's illegal or not, I wouldn't want to stick money on it being either way.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by TheDon

I think you will find that EU free trade laws actually make this far from a cut and dry case. We're going to have to wait till next year until we can truly say if it's illegal or not, I wouldn't want to stick money on it being either way.

Remember who owns SKY and the legal team that he will have into bat will be formidable and I think the government will want to ensure it goes his way due to the support his products give them.

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Masque

Remember who owns SKY and the legal team that he will have into bat will be formidable and I think the government will want to ensure it goes his way due to the support his products give them.

But it's a case referred to the EU high court, so it doesn't matter what the government wants. The EU is notoriously anti-monopoly, and market segregation in the satellite TV market is anti-EU, it goes completely against the four freedoms of the EU's free market, it really is a restriction of services, so I really wouldn't bet on them ruling in favour of Sky. But equally I wouldn't bet on them ruling against Sky, as the implications of eradicating the localisation of TV services is truly massive. It would require every single carriage contract to be rewrote for a start as exclusivity by area would simply not be possible any more.

One thing is for certain though, when the EU high court returns their answers it's going to be a hell of an interesting read.

[darkm]

Originally Posted by Sirius

So are you saying that there is no clause in there contract when you sign up for the subscription that's says not to be used in country's not covered by there broadcast rights area and reselling the service outside of that area is forbidden.

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Yep i download my legal content from the newsgroups as i get a good connection. Plus i dont even use paid for servers now as i can use VM's servers for my updates.

There are lots of legal streaming sites now from itv vm, bbc, Sky, the list goes on.

Here's a demo for you

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...2010_Week_Two/

Dont really see anything you download being legal..Since most stuff is copyright protected and the content is digitally protected as well, i would be pretty sure that alot of the stuff you download is not legal from VM newsgroups. Even the stuff you download from the bbc iplayer, it is fine to view is it "30 days", then after that its deleted from your pc.. Why beacuse it does not belong to you..You do make me laugh...Enjoy your Ban by the way

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I don't need a dish i have cable and i am happy to pay the full subscription not lower myself to gutter level and steal or pay for a grey market cs server that is as dodgy as a dodgy thing from the planet dodgy. DPI is coming

i relly dont think they are worried about DPI, since alot will use other providers, even Pay as you go internet. And there is always VPN..

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Originally Posted by Masque

If you have read this thread then surely you will have seen numerous mentions of the illegal boxes causing noise and interference on the network plus they are obtaining their services illegally and that is reason enough for anyone to be happy that these scumbags are now losing their freebies.

Also why shouldan y company have to suffer a loss to enable scumbags a free ride.

Most dodgy boxes are built using the same specs as the sub box. There will be no interference on the network, nothing that would effect other subcribers. Certainey i have never had my viewing disrupted by this! Yes bad cabling, people digging up streets might but those are the stupid people.

Same old story really. Why do people do it? Because they can is the simple answer. Why pay for a service if the service your getting is rubbish? Compared to sky Vm lack in the Hd offering. Always playing catch up.

Vm upgrade to Nagra 3 wasnt to do with ending cable piracy..More to do with the fact that the Nagra 1 contract was up..And out of plain courtsey they were allowed to carry on with it while they implemented nagra 3 and in fact the N1 caid is still present. Vm would have still carried on if they hadnt have been out of contract. But as they were forced to upgrade and the fact they wanted more HD channels from sky and were told bluntly to upgrade the encryption.

has it ended Cable Piracy, no.. People still can get TV without paying for subs. The only thing it has done is cause VM to spend more money on a battle they can never win..

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by darkm

Dont really see anything you download being legal..Since most stuff is copyright protected and the content is digitally protected as well, i would be pretty sure that alot of the stuff you download is not legal from VM newsgroups. Even the stuff you download from the bbc iplayer, it is fine to view is it "30 days", then after that its deleted from your pc.. Why beacuse it does not belong to you..You do make me laugh...Enjoy your Ban by the way [COLOR="Silver"]

If you download stuff from the legal sites (such as iPlayer, iTunes store etc), it is still legal whether it is protected or not, and whether it expires or not.

Most dodgy boxes are built using the same specs as the sub box. There will be no interference on the network, nothing that would effect other subcribers. Certainey i have never had my viewing disrupted by this! Yes bad cabling, people digging up streets might but those are the stupid people.

TBH, I doubt you'd know if a dodgy box was affecting your connection unless you are able physically check every box connected to your part of the network. I suspect that most VM engineers would not be able to determine that 100% accurately either.

That said, if the dodgy box in question is a hacked VM box, then unless the hacker did something really stupid, it is unlikely to affect the network, but if the install was done badly (and a lot of of dodgy cable installs are), then that will affect the network.

Same old story really. Why do people do it? Because they can is the simple answer. Why pay for a service if the service your getting is rubbish? Compared to sky Vm lack in the Hd offering. Always playing catch up.

People don't get dodgy Cable boxes because Sky is superior, or because VM is crap (which is debatable). If they did, Sky would not have similar problems with hacking. They don't even do it because they think VM is too expensive for what it offers. Think about that. Primark has invested heavily in security systems for their stores. Why? They sell cheap clothes. Clothes that in a lot of cases are worth considerably less than the system used to protect them and are so cheap that most people would not consider nicking them (Why go to prison for a £3 T shirt?). They do it because people *will* nick those £3 T shirts, and they *will* risk prison to get it, rather than spend £3.

People do it because they don't want to pay for what they recieve. Simple.

Vm upgrade to Nagra 3 wasnt to do with ending cable piracy..More to do with the fact that the Nagra 1 contract was up..And out of plain courtsey they were allowed to carry on with it while they implemented nagra 3 and in fact the N1 caid is still present. Vm would have still carried on if they hadnt have been out of contract. But as they were forced to upgrade and the fact they wanted more HD channels from sky and were told bluntly to upgrade the encryption.

How do you know this? We have actual staff members (and I mean *verified* staff members) posting on here that VM are doing this to combat piracy.

has it ended Cable Piracy, no.. People still can get TV without paying for subs. The only thing it has done is cause VM to spend more money on a battle they can never win..

VM will never stop piracy. No security system can ever entirely eliminate crime. That does not mean, however, that they can not limit the effects of piracy (and they are). As such that does not mean they should not try.

After all, how long did On Digital last when their encryption was thoroughly hacked?