Unstoppable migration? - Page 38

Jimmy-J · 10-09-2015, 01:56

No doubt there will be terror on the streets of Europe very soon. It's all gone a bit Bonkers!

Osem · 10-09-2015, 10:52

I don't think there's a major short term risk is from terrorism but it's hard to believe that there are no budding or actual terrorists amongst the millions on the EU's borders. I do think there is likely to be trouble as a result of tensions/resentment amongst host communities and increasingly amongst the migrants as they realise that the streets aren't paved with gold and being 'safe' isn't all they thought it would be. Resentment towards them will inevitably grow as their numbers rise and host communities start to feel the effects on their services and way of life. That's already the experience of many migrant/minority communities across Europe so do we really expect it to be different for the latest tranche? Do we really believe a few words from people like Juncker are going to change public (as opposed to political) opinion in countries like Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic to the extent that the migrants sent to these places will be accepted and welcomed by all? These are amongst the places from which Roma have been 'expelled' in large numbers aren't they? Not much sign of tolerance and understanding there but then, these are the poorer EU countries where things like benefits and services aren't as generous as they are in Germany and the UK for example.

It won't be the TV reporters, commentators, pop stars, actors, comedians and politicians who feel the effects on the front line, it'll be those who already feel let down and are struggling to get what they feel they need and deserve. They'll see the efforts made to welcome refugees and quite understandably think 'why not us?' They'll be the ones whose services will come even more under pressure - housing, health/welfare services, schooling, jobs etc. and the trained staff to go with them don't grow on trees after all.

IMHO this is the real world and it's clearly not occupied by the Eurocrats and holier than thou personalities who're currently sitting piously on the bandwagon. They'll be the ones who'll be quietly jumping off it in large numbers when reality dawns, leaving our existing poor, vulnerable and needy to carry the can and continue the good work. That's what they always do.

I think expectations of a much better life have been hugely raised, not the least by what I believe will turn out to be a very short lived 'honeymoon' welcome period in the likes of Germany and Austria. It's perfectly obvious that not all these people will be accepted and go on to have the sort of happy, productive and trouble free lives they hoped for. For me that will be the breeding ground in which the disaffected could well be drawn into crime and yes even terrorism. It's already happened in the UK within a small section of our Muslim community, both home grown and even those who've come here as refugees only to turn against those who gave them refuge. The only question is how soon will it happen and the answer to that lies to a large extent in economic conditions within the EU.

Ramrod · 10-09-2015, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Osem

IMHO this is the real world and it's clearly not occupied by the Eurocrats and holier than thou personalities who're currently sitting piously on the bandwagon. They'll be the ones who'll be quietly jumping off it in large numbers when reality dawns, leaving our existing poor, vulnerable and needy to carry the can and continue the good work. That's what they always do.

Well said

Ramrod · 10-09-2015, 22:48

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Saudi Arabia Has 100,000 Air Conditioned Tents That Can House 3 Million People Sitting Empty Yet Has Taken Zero Refugees

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ianch99 · 10-09-2015, 22:52

Not sure you could make it up:

Saudi Arabia offers to help with Europe's refugee crisis – by building 200 mosques in Germany

figgyburn · 11-09-2015, 07:09

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Not sure you could make it up:

Saudi Arabia offers to help with Europe's refugee crisis – by building 200 mosques in Germany

Brilliant forward planning . Offer to do that in every country who takes in migrants/refugees and you have thousands more mosques in "christian"europe.Talk about trojan horses.Also germany must have a massive amount of available empty housing to take in 800,000 people per year.Their house builders are obviously more productive(as usual) than our lot.

Ignitionnet · 11-09-2015, 07:56

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Their house builders are obviously more productive(as usual) than our lot.

Pretty much everyone's house builders are more productive than ours. They don't have to work within such asinine planning laws.

As far as KSA's building mosques goes this is just what the refugees and the world need, more Wahhabism. It's working so well in enriching the human race.

Osem · 11-09-2015, 08:23

Well I'm sure none of us this saw this coming:

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According to The Times, police have refused to confirm the latest reports of a search for a lone terrorist, however refugee charities working in the region said they were aware that the manhunt was underway.

The news comes amid claims ISIS are using Europe's refugee crisis to smuggle thousands of terrorists into Europe. An ISIS operative claims 4,000 gunmen have already been smuggled into Europe.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-manhun...attack-1519304

Never mind, I'm sure Juncker, Merkel et al have thought this all through and are ready to effectively separate the wheat from the chaff. Incidentally, I don't imagine the numbers of terrorist **** are large but they don't need to be in order to cause chaos. My worry is that amongst those who have and will be admitted into Europe there will be those who subsequently feel very let down by what they find here and then turn against us. I really don't know what we can do about that because the extent to which people feel betrayed will be in part a function of their own expectations, unrealistic or otherwise.

Meanwhile in Hungary the border fence is being erected with some speed as the numbers inevitably increase in the rush to get through before the border is closed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34217188

mrmistoffelees · 11-09-2015, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Osem

Well I'm sure none of us this saw this coming:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-manhun...attack-1519304

Never mind, I'm sure Juncker, Merkel et al have thought this all through and are ready to effectively separate the wheat from the chaff. Incidentally, I don't imagine the numbers of terrorist **** are large but they don't need to be in order to cause chaos. My worry is that amongst those who have and will be admitted into Europe there will be those who subsequently feel very let down by what they find here and then turn against us. I really don't know what we can do about that because the extent to which people feel betrayed will be in part a function of their own expectations, unrealistic or otherwise.

Meanwhile in Hungary the border fence is being erected with some speed as the numbers inevitably increase in the rush to get through before the border is closed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34217188

So many suffer because of a few ?

Ignitionnet · 11-09-2015, 17:51

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So many suffer because of a few ?

Hungary have been told to register everyone who comes through, seems that's what they are doing. Not a nation awash with the necessary resources for such an enterprise unfortunately.

Ramrod · 11-09-2015, 18:00

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So many suffer because of a few ?

Don't forget us. We get to suffer once those **** bring their plans to fruition.

Osem · 11-09-2015, 18:10

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Don't forget us. We get to suffer once those **** bring their plans to fruition.

Some folks do have short memories don't they...

Tezcatlipoca · 11-09-2015, 19:26

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Originally Posted by Osem

Well I'm sure none of us this saw this coming:

http://Link in quote replaced after ...ess unsavoury.

Have you looked at the rest of that site?

mrmistoffelees · 11-09-2015, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Don't forget us. We get to suffer once those **** bring their plans to fruition.

**** ? Who precisely is **** ?

Osem · 11-09-2015, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Matt D

Have you looked at the rest of that site?

No but it's not the only place the subject has been covered.

---------- Post added at 20:33 ---------- Previous post was at 20:16 ----------

Hmmm.... Just took a proper peek and now I see where you're coming from. Possibly a passing Mod. might do us all a favour and replace the link with another from a slightly less extreme publication:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-manhun...attack-1519304