Unstoppable migration?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Been on the news that the amount of recent immigration has contributed to the fact that we are to face a water shortage in the future.

It's also caused a lot of NHS posts to be filled and tax income to be raised Look to climate change more than immigrants.

[RichardCoulter]

Yes, other reasons (including climate change) were also given for this projected water shortage.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Been on the news that the amount of recent immigration has contributed to the fact that we are to face a water shortage in the future.

Can you provide a link, please, Richard?

I can only find climate change and population growth as the factors given, not immigration.*

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44215418

The big questions for the future, according to the Environment Agency, are the impacts of climate change and population growth.

If you read the source report

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ces_report.pdf

Page 8 & 9

Climate change
Climate change will affect the amount and timing of rainfall that supports river flows and replenishes groundwater. It will also influence the demand for water and its quality, as well as the way land is used – all of which will put pressure on water resources...

...Population growth
Population growth will continue to be one of the biggest pressures on water resources. The population of England is predicted to increase to 58.5 million by 2026.27 Many of the growth areas are in places where the water environment and water supplies are already stressed.

Projections suggest that if no action is taken to reduce demand and increase supply of water, most areas will not meet demand by the 2050s under high greenhouse gas emissions and high population growth scenarios. Even low population growth and modest climate change scenarios suggest significant water supply deficits by the 2050s, particularly in the south-east.

No mention of immigration in the source report.

*population growth is not just immigration.

[richard s]

One of the things I am amazed at is that with the increase in new houses being built there are no new water reservoirs being planned. Here in the south-east a water company (Southern Water) stated that if we do not get a steady winter rainfall that there will be a water shortage in the summer.... Really!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by richard s

One of the things I am amazed at is that with the increase in new houses being built there are no new water reservoirs being planned. Here in the south-east a water company (Southern Water) stated that if we do not get a steady winter rainfall that there will be a water shortage in the summer.... Really!

Maybe they should be building desalination plants. We've got plenty of sea and it's ever rising !

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Maybe they should be building desalination plants. We've got plenty of sea and it's ever rising !

This or, yanno, pipe it down from the wet parts, it's not Mission Impossible.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Can you provide a link, please, Richard?

I can only find climate change and population growth as the factors given, not immigration.*

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44215418

If you read the source report

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ces_report.pdf

Page 8 & 9 No mention of immigration in the source report.

*population growth is not just immigration.

It was stated on the BBC News channel today when they were discussing the report in more detail and focussing on population growth.

It won't all be down to immigration, but I think a lot of it will be down to immigrants moving here and then having children. The practice of having large families (especially since the invention and provision of contraception) has reduced massively, so I don't think it will be that.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

It's also caused a lot of NHS posts to be filled and tax income to be raised Look to climate change more than immigrants.

Not all immigration is bad for the UK, it's ridiculous that we are letting in those that contribute little or nothing, yet are deporting doctors that we are short of!

Yes, those that work are making a contribution, either financially, or filling hard to fill vacancies or in skill shortage areas. However, looking at the wider picture, even those that are working still need somewhere to live, will need require NHS resources, education, ante natal care and be claiming in work benefits.

...and will be using water!

I can't remember the specific country if was, but a Radio 4 programme highlighted a country that used to have water as plentiful as we currently have. When the water had to be rationed, they were reduced to having to do things to limit their water consumption e.g.

- Adopting a toilet policy of 'If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown flush it down'.

- Limiting the number of showers and the time taken to have one.

- Putting a bucket in the shower to catch the used water to use for the toilet.

- Putting containers outside to catch any rain to water plants, flush the toilet or give to pets.

- Reusing water used to boil vegetables again and again. When it can no longer be used, it still isn't thrown away, it's used to water plants!

I hope that we don't get to this stage over here.

One thing that water companies could do is to offer to fix all leaks for free. We ourselves can take measures too, but it's not always as simple as it seems. Some people find that their shower pump stops working after a water saving head is fitted and a friend, who owns a hotel, put brick type things into his toilet cisterns. He ended up having to take them out again because the reduced water flow stopped the sewage from being carried away to the main sewer and thus caused a blockage!

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Originally Posted by richard s

One of the things I am amazed at is that with the increase in new houses being built there are no new water reservoirs being planned. Here in the south-east a water company (Southern Water) stated that if we do not get a steady winter rainfall that there will be a water shortage in the summer.... Really!

Pre privatisation there used to be reservoirs that specifically created a reserve stock. Once privatised, this land was sold off.

As a shareholder in a water company I did argue at the time that this was a very short sighted decision.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by techguyone

This or, yanno, pipe it down from the wet parts, it's not Mission Impossible.

That would cost the water companies money so unlikely unless regulations change.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It was stated on the BBC News channel today when they were discussing the report in more detail and focussing on population growth.

It won't all be down to immigration, but I think a lot of it will be down to immigrants moving here and then having children. The practice of having large families (especially since the invention and provision of contraception) has reduced massively, so I don't think it will be that.

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Not all immigration is bad for the UK, it's ridiculous that we are letting in those that contribute little or nothing, yet are deporting doctors that we are short of!

Yes, those that work are making a contribution, either financially, or filling hard to fill vacancies or in skill shortage areas. However, looking at the wider picture, even those that are working still need somewhere to live, will need require NHS resources, education, ante natal care and be claiming in work benefits.

...and will be using water!

I can't remember the specific country if was, but a Radio r programme highlighted a country that used to have water as plentiful as we currently have. When the water had to be rationed, they were reduced to having to do things to limit their water consumption e.g.

- Adopting a toilet policy of 'If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown flush it down'.

- Limiting the number of showers and the time taken to have one.

- Putting a bucket in the shower to catch the used water to use for the toilet.

- Putting containers outside to catch any rain to water plants, flush the toilet of give to pets.

- Reusing water used to boil vegetables again and again. When it can no longer be used, it still isn't thrown away, it's used to water plants!

I hope that we don't get to this stage over here.

One thing that water companies could do is to offer to fix all leaks for free. We ourselves can take measures too, but it's not always as simple as it seems. Some people find thag there shower pump stops working after a water saving head is fitted and a friend, who owns a hotel, put brick type things into his toilet cisterns. He ended up having to take them out again because the reduced water flow stopped the sewage from being carried away to the main sewer!

Well that's another consequence of privatisation Richard, the consumer comes last, and profits first. How something as basic as water was privatised is absurd. However migrants are a convenient scapegoat for everything. They contribute more than they take, we are an ageing population, we need immigration.

[RichardCoulter]

I agree Re: privatisation (even though I lay myself open to accusations of being hypocritical).

I can't understand why, if as claimed, we need more people in the UK, the Government is doing all it can to limit people here from having children with its benefit cuts. Surely, people should be being bribed into having children if this is the case. This was the original intention of Family Allowance (now Child Benefit).

Perhaps they believe it to be better to let another country pay to raise a child and then 'import' them here as adults??

We are creating a rod for our own back by doing this with mass automation around the corner. There won't be enough work for those currently living here, let alone any more.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's also caused a lot of NHS posts to be filled and tax income to be raised Look to climate change more than immigrants.

Wot? NHS posts being filled? Oh, joy, crisis over.

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Originally Posted by techguyone

This or, yanno, pipe it down from the wet parts, it's not Mission Impossible.

Wot? And have that Sturgeon woman hold us to ransom?
No fear!!

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well that's another consequence of privatisation Richard, the consumer comes last, and profits first. How something as basic as water was privatised is absurd. However migrants are a convenient scapegoat for everything. They contribute more than they take, we are an ageing population, we need immigration.

Left wing propaganda.

You would not get the investment in the first place without privatisation. Profits are gained through eliminating inefficient public sector practices. I'd have thought that should have sunk in by now.

This left wing mantra is getting annoying now. I can only assume they don't believe it themselves and think that the more they chant it the more it will get chanted back.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well that's another consequence of privatisation Richard, the consumer comes last, and profits first. How something as basic as water was privatised is absurd. However migrants are a convenient scapegoat for everything. They contribute more than they take, we are an ageing population, we need immigration.

Nothing like blaming Johnny Foreigner for all of our great ills when many were of our own making as when many of them are gone home who will get the blame them Mr K.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

Nothing like blaming Johnny Foreigner for all of our great ills when many were of our own making as when many of them are gone home who will get the blame them Mr K.

Nothing wrong with foreigners in this country in my book, as long as they don't take the p***. The Asians that came here during Idi Amin's rule, for example, knuckled down when they arrived and made an excellent contribution.

The problem is when you just lock open the doors to hordes of people when there's not enough housing to accommodate them and when our services cannot cope with further increases in numbers. Immigration needs to be regulated or you create an unacceptable burden on the people who already live here.

The problem with the EU on this issue is that it doesn't care about these practical problems, and its undemocratic nature means that it doesn't care about the impact on the population. It's the continuing failure by the EU to acknowledge this problem, let alone address it, that has caused so many people to call for immigration to be controlled, only to be called racists!

My God, what a shambles.

[Carth]

Excellent post OB

I'm sure some people won't agree, but probably one of the influencing factors of the Brexit vote for many.

A finite amount of resources cannot be shared efficiently among an infinite amount of people

[RichardCoulter]

I agree. From what those who voted leave say to me, this is the main reason why they did so. Not one has mentioned sovereignty etc.