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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet
Except that doesn't meet their definition of free movement and per the above every indication so far is that they will not deviate from this. You can't agree something with someone then change the definition of it to suit your own needs.
It might work. They may have to compromise. It's just an idea....
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Interestingly I think if your pension is largely invested in international markets or FTSE 100 companies then it's probably gone up as the value of those investments relative to the pound has increased....
I suspect though that inflation will eat into that, especially given how much we import, and if it recovers the inverse would happen but it's still something that I found interesting.
With a fair few other EU countries now saying that they want a referendum on things like the Euro and immigration, it looks like our leave vote has given them the confidence to speak out.
Hopefully the EU will decide to give in, rather than risk collapse.
We'll see. The EU will either give us a hard time to discourage others or make some small reform to placate those still inside the club and maybe extend that to us too.
I wonder how this would work:
Keep free movement but remove all benefits to anyone coming here.
If they have/get a job and earn sufficient wages to pay sufficient tax then they get access to the nhs. None of this council house/tax credit/child benefit to send back to Latvia etc malarkey. Come here and earn enough to support yourself because there are no hand outs if you don't.
That would probably sort the wheat from the chaff at a stroke.
Thoughts?
Excellent idea. We should do this not only to EU migrants, but with every immigrant.
It should be less about what help we can give to them and more about what they have to offer that can help the UK.
The prospect of gains for the far-right if immigration isn't now curbed is a serious concern.
I do wonder why they're so convinced the government will accept a deal that tanks the banking sector though. Economic madness if we do that.
Because free movement is a red line on both sides, and services easiest place to 'compromise'. Incomplete free movement = incomplete single market access.
They clearly read the stuff coming out of Paris too.
Why can't the EU just realise that if it sticks to the current plan they will be responsible for the collapse sooner rather then later no matter how hard the call for reform is they just ignore it and carry on. There will be more votes and I think more will vote to leave how many will it take for them to listen or is it hands over ears time regardless of how nations are feeling
Let's not pretend that good news is constantly brewing within the EU things might have been focusing on the farce in the uk but eventually the bad news will start coming from the EU again.
Remainers and the government still do not understand the Leave vote, they've tried Leave is racist, they've tried Leave is uneducated, an they've tried Leavers regret it.
They are still quoting the FTSE 100/250, they're saying house prices will fall, they're saying the banks will leave the UK, they're saying Pensions will fall.
But when you're talking to millions of white, black, Asian , straight , gay, lesbian, trans people who don't have shares, only dream of being able to pay into a pension and have no hope of ever buying their home, an who have only ever seen thelocal branch of their bank close forget having job opportunitys with them you need to think a little bit more.
You're telling people with nothing they face having nothing, Remainers wake up... I understand you no longer understand the UK, but unfortunately you're going to have to find away of understanding it.
Because free movement is a red line on both sides, and services easiest place to 'compromise'. Incomplete free movement = incomplete single market access.
They clearly read the stuff coming out of Paris too.
Still don't see it happening. They'll concede other things before the City imo. First of all there is the obvious economic downside but even aside from that it's not as if these corporations are powerless, they'll throw their weight around to get what they want.
Why can't the EU just realise that if it sticks to the current plan they will be responsible for the collapse sooner rather then later no matter how hard the call for reform is they just ignore it and carry on. There will be more votes and I think more will vote to leave how many will it take for them to listen or is it hands over ears time regardless of how nations are feeling
Let's not pretend that good news is constantly brewing within the EU things might have been focusing on the farce in the uk but eventually the bad news will start coming from the EU again.
The bad news hasn't stopped, we're just exceptionally self-absorbed for the foreseeable future here.
We'll see just how much trouble our vote causes in the longer term. Obviously there will be a rush of calls from those empowered by the UK's decision. The Netherlands at least has already put the issue to bed.
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Originally Posted by Damien
Still don't see it happening. They'll concede other things before the City imo. First of all there is the obvious economic downside but even aside from that it's not as if these corporations are powerless, they'll throw their weight around to get what they want.
They'll get what they want. They'll be offered incentives to leave the UK and move to the passported area.