London Mayor election 2012

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Remember Labour believe we are BIGGOTS and it cannot be denied and must be true as there top man said that to that poor woman live on TV ?

Well he didn't say it to her he said it behind her back and he's no longer the top man.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

If you and the rest of Liverpool hate the government so much please feel free to pay the full amount of council tax required to cover Liverpool's expenditure and demand greater autonomy.

Not my council and gladly so as they charge to much.

[Ramrod]

Common sense has prevailed
(But only just)

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Not my council and gladly so as they charge to much.

Indeed, far better to rely on central government block grant.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Common sense has prevailed
(But only just)

Indeed it means Ken will not be able to carry out his Labour inspired program

Load Labour Program

Type Run

A. Spend spend spend and when the money has gone sell the gold and raid the pensions and then spend spend spend some more,

B. Repeat this until the country is in the crapper.

C. Lose election and leave crap to be fixed by someone else.

D. Print Note "we spent all the money"

E. Blame the other guys repeatedly

F. Get yourself re elected when its all fixed.

G. Goto A

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Common sense has prevailed
(But only just)

Pity that Boris is lacking in that department though.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Pity that Boris is lacking in that department though.

He must be doing something right

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Load Labour Program

Type Run

A. Spend spend spend and when the money has gone sell the gold and raid the pensions and then spend spend spend some more,

B. Repeat this until the country is in the crapper.

C. Lose election and leave crap to be fixed by someone else.

D. Print Note "we spent all the money"

E. Blame the other guys repeatedly

F. Get yourself re elected when its all fixed.

G. Goto A

Spot on

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

He must be doing something right

The electorate must like a having a jovial buffoon in charge which makes you wonder about the people who voted for him in the first place.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Pity that Boris is lacking in that department though.

Well if Boris can be re elected what does it say about Ken and his election plan

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Boris won by a close margin then. Ken Livingstone has said it's his last election, he may change his mind but given that he isn't getting younger and Labour will likely select a different candidate next time around I suspect that is the truth.

He isn't a easy man to like, but he did do a lot for London irrespective of his personality. He also seemed to genuinely care about the City.

He did rather more for some parts of London than others and the way in which he threw money at certain groups and communities with precious little scrutiny and oversight was scandalous. Livingstone only ever listened to people who agreed with him and didn't mind indulging in his own form of stereoytyping when it suited.

This time he was rumbled - the hypocrisy and porkies caught up with him at last.

Good riddance to Livingstone.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Indeed it means Ken will not be able to carry out his Labour inspired program

Load Labour Program

Type Run

A. Spend spend spend and when the money has gone sell the gold and raid the pensions and then spend spend spend some more,

B. Repeat this until the country is in the crapper.

C. Lose election and leave crap to be fixed by someone else.

D. Print Note "we spent all the money"

E. Blame the other guys repeatedly

F. Get yourself re elected when its all fixed.

G. Goto A

You've just decoded the 'commandments' upon which all Labour manifestos are based.

Originally Posted by Osem

He did rather more for some parts of London than others and the way in which he threw money at certain groups and communities with precious little scrutiny and oversight was scandalous.

Like? You can't solve everything and if he addresses one area of London you can't have equal investment across all of it. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing, let's see if no one loses out during Boris' time in charge or the Tories. It's a natural part of governance.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Two points to clear up, to have driver-less trains on the underground is very dangerous, what happens if there is a trains crash, or trains breaks down and there is a signal fault and a smashes into each other.

You need a train personnel on the train for safety reasons.

No one is saying that there are no personnel on the trains. The DLR doesn't operate that way, and nor will the tube.

They don't need to be drivers though.

The DLR might be an 'underground train' technically, BUT this was brought into service due to Canary Wharf being built, It has only been extended due to it popularity, and there is no underground system near it.

Not sure how that is relevant.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Like? You can't solve everything and if he addresses one area of London you can't have equal investment across all of it. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing, let's see if no one loses out during Boris' time in charge or the Tories. It's a natural part of governance.

You were the one who said he "did do a lot for London" and I pointed out that he did more for some bits than others - something you now appear agreeing with as a "natural part of governance". My contention is that what drove Livingstone's 'governance' was a desire to look after the bits of London where his voters were and to hell with the rest, especially the outer London Tory boroughs.

Livingstone's excesses, waste and loony left policies are legend, dating back to the days of the GLC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7508819.stm

Note Livingstone refused to even talk to the Forensic Audit Panel. Just like he showed during the run up to the election Livingstone never minded dodging issues which exposed his flaws.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Peter_

The electorate must like a having a jovial buffoon in charge which makes you wonder about the people who voted for him in the first place.

Something that makes me laugh, actually, is the way you criticise Boris yet his actual policies make a lot of sense in many cases, indeed he can be more Labour than Ken while simultaneously being more Tory than Cameron, he's done far more to reduce unnecessary spending in London than Cameron has nationwide. Boris is investing heavily in TfL, Ken claimed he was going to use the cash for fare cuts, Boris is pretty sound environmentally.

He has his flaws for sure, however of the two main candidates there is absolutely no question that he was the better candidate for the job. He didn't promise the earth and has a reasonable track record.

In short before you criticise the several million of us for our voting choices I'd recommend getting a clue what you're talking about. I couldn't care less if Boris runs through zone 1 stark naked babbling about wiff waff so long as he keeps getting the job done. I find his buffoonery disarming and underneath it he's clearly an intelligent man who takes advantage of his nature by allowing people to underestimate him just as you do.

All that said I still didn't vote for him as first preference.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Well if Boris can be re elected what does it say about Ken and his election plan

I would not have voted for either of them if I lived in London as both are clowns but in different ways.