Guardian: "Sky Atlantic won't be on Virgin Media soon, says BSkyB boss"

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by richard1960

Its going to be SLOW and very costly to provide.

It will happen though that's my point.

Originally Posted by muppetman11

It will happen though that's my point.

Sky will have to pay for it though unless they absorb the cost BT are making the investment sky are just piggy backing. My guess is it will not pay sky to provide the service wide and afar simply because BT will not.

[muppetman11]

They will provide it , how many will subscribe to 8mb when BT can provide 40mb.

Originally Posted by muppetman11

They will provide it , how many will subscribe to 8mb when BT can provide 40mb.

Ha ha BT can only provide 2MB maximum where i live on ADSL 2 normal broadband through a phoneline is 1 Mb,and i live in a large town, BT should be able to do better but do not supply enough ommph to even allow BT vision to operate sadly,virgin media is the only game in town regarding broadband.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by richard1960

Ha ha BT can only provide 2MB maximum where i live on ADSL 2 normal broadband through a phoneline is 1 Mb,and i live in a large town, BT should be able to do better but do not supply enough ommph to even allow BT vision to operate sadly,virgin media is the only game in town regarding broadband.

Agreed VM are great for BB but BT's Infinity product is upto 40mb, what percent of VM BB subscribers take faster than this . It will be a very low percent.

We are heading for a situation where we will have Sky offering market-leading linear TV and adequate broadband, and VM offering adequate TV and market-leading broadband. And because VM has known for some time that this would be the case, it has been developing ways to capitalise on the market-leading broadband side of its business rather than the linear TV side.

To that end it has sold its own TV channels and it continues to refuse to pay whatever price Sky demands just to get the latest line-up of over-hyped American imports. It knows that its VOD and broadband products are better than Sky's and will continue to be so even after Sky is able to start offering up to 40meg. That is why it's now advertising itself as providing unbeatable connectivity rather than bragging about the channels you can watch on its service.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Agreed VM are great for BB but BT's Infinity product is upto 40mb, what percent of VM BB subscribers take faster than this . It will be a very low percent.

Are you serious? Since when were we comparing available speed on one network with the speed subscribers choose on another network? Is there any chance of you making up your mind which statistic you want to choose to back up your point?

I'm beginning to think you don't actually have a clue what we're talking about here.

[devilincarnate]

Can i just throw in to the pot that if SKY start offering 40MBPS ( due to BT ) and VIRGIN already have 50/100MBPS. Would you not think that VIRGIN then maybe start to looking to FTTH ( what speeds are ? ) .

Maybe out the ball park but just to add to the debate?

[Big-Ted]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Who is arguing VM BB is the best I was merely stating 40mb is ample for probably 75 % of people. If VM channel lineup is enough for most how come Sky have over 10 million subscribers.

2 big problems with this are..............


Firstly BT FTTC is only going to 66% of the country by 2015 and those areas are mostly covered by Virgin anyway

http://www.broadbandwatcher.co.uk/bt...ncomplete-713/

Stuart Watson, Broadband Product Manager at UK ISP Zen Internet, said:

“BT Openreach describes an exchange as in progress if there are ten cabinets live, but there could be 70 or 80 or more cabinets in that area – customers are seeing when their exchange is enabled but not when their cabinet is going to be, or even if it’s going to be upgraded, because only about 40% or 50% of cabinets in a given area are scheduled or are likely to be upgraded.

“BT needs to make it clearer what an enabled exchange means, make clear that a rollout can take place over three, four or five months and make clear that just because an exchange is enabled the actually coverage in that area could be 40% or 50%.”

BT said that it knew that a significant amount of areas has been left out, however, the ISP said: “on average the figure is around 85% of an exchange area – this may be higher or much lower depending on the infrastructure and the market”.

Secondly Sky will not be able to undercut BT etc as unlike LLU its not subsidized and they will have to either take a loss on it or the price will be comparable to Virgin (Virgin 50 Meg £25 a month + £12.99 phone or £35 a month standalone) (BT Infinity 40 Meg unlimited (300 gig a month limit then 2 meg speed for a month in the evenings) £25.60 a month + £10 phone)

This will mean that Virgin have the advantage for VOD etc where its available.....

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Agreed VM are great for BB but BT's Infinity product is upto 40mb, what percent of VM BB subscribers take faster than this . It will be a very low percent.

The question is though where is the investment in BT infinity going to be made? also sky will have to pay much more for access to this product then they currently pay BT for access so they either pass this on to subs or absorb the cost,its alright saying skys product will benefit from infinity and sky will be able to offer better VOD and internet access which may well be true in certain areas,but will sky stump up the cash as BT are making the investment not sky, and only have to offer access on a set basis (through open reach) sky wil have to pass costs on surely which could push up their cost to subs making vm more competitive in certain areas.

Ok, it's time to rein this one in a bit. Please remember that the thread title here is about Sky Atlantic not appearing on VM any time soon. I'm happy with some background discussion as to why this might be the case, but let's not get drawn into a pointless swapping of network performance statistics.

... And several posts now deleted. Please stop trying to get the last word folks, it will all end in tears.

[Perfect Choice]

VM VOD with the likes of Lovefilms/Amazon and Google is the way I see VM breaking the strangle hold on Sky Movie Premier and gain access to Sky Atlantic programmes?

One other factor not mentioned. To get VM Vod/apps via Tivo you have to subscribe to a TV pack only as already includes the 10Mb BB so you don't habe to be a VM BB customer. For Sky do you have to be a subscriber to TV + a Broadband package to get Sky Anytime?

So VM will have a big price advantage moving forward unless Sky bundle in free BB?

[Madmartigan]

Not remotely concerned about not having Sky Atlantic, good shows decimated by adverts. Also the majority of them are shows you'd want to watch in batches rather than one a week anyway. I don't really think the 'Sky is better for Tv' argument still stands up these days.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Madmartigan

Not remotely concerned about not having Sky Atlantic, good shows decimated by adverts. Also the majority of them are shows you'd want to watch in batches rather than one a week anyway. I don't really think the 'Sky is better for Tv' argument still stands up these days.

Depends how you view that theory for linear channels Sky is lightyears ahead of VM , and don't forget you can watch Sky Atlantic content on Anytime and Sky Player. When it comes to catchup its simple VM wins hands down as Sky don't provide this.

[mersey70]

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

VM VOD with the likes of Lovefilms/Amazon and Google is the way I see VM breaking the strangle hold on Sky Movie Premier and gain access to Sky Atlantic programmes?

One other factor not mentioned. To get VM Vod/apps via Tivo you have to subscribe to a TV pack only as already includes the 10Mb BB so you don't habe to be a VM BB customer. For Sky do you have to be a subscriber to TV + a Broadband package to get Sky Anytime?

So VM will have a big price advantage moving forward unless Sky bundle in free BB?

You have to subscribe to the XL pack for Tivo don't you, not any old pack as you suggest?

That seems to me to potentially rule out an awful lot of punters, to upgrade from L to XL is around £140 a year extra, to upgrade from M+ to XL is well over £200 a year more isn't it? And that assumes you take a phone line too, XL is £30.50 without one.

Quite big numbers when you add the cost of the kit.

And the monthly Tivo sub too.