Pay frozen for third year running

[Taf]

I'll have a pint of what he's drinking please... it appears to do weird things to the mind... and I could do with a mental holiday (can't afford a real one!)

[Wicked_and_Crazy]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Yes, but there will be a global government to global labour, wage, and benefit standards!

Because that worked at a european level didnt it

Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy

Because that worked at a european level didnt it

aaah but you see it doesn't work at a european level because it's not a global level ....and Alan didn't think of it

[Alan Fry]

My point is that since business had gone "Globalised", then to regulate them and manage their effects, Governments also need to "Globalise"

My plan does not just involve force, but though democratic means, I can tell you why people who vote "yes" for this plan:

1: The Kurds and other "Unrepresented Peoples" can finally have their own state

2: War between nations will stop (along with a strong focus on law and order)

3: The wealth of the world can be spread to developing nations

4: People in developing nations can have higher incomes and free high quality education and healthcare

5: People in developing nations will no longer be exploited

6: Religious and LGBT freedom and rights can be spread worldwide

7: Religion will no longer be closely linked to government, politics etc.

8: A lot of the world’s conflicts will end

9: No Religion or race will dominate another

10: Tax Evasion and Avoidance will end

11: People in Developed Nations will no longer have governments that care about the rich, so they can have higher wages and benefits

12: Governments across the world will no longer puppets for the rich

13: Business will no longer care just about profits, but about their employees as well

14: Poverty will go down!

15: Poltical and Relgious extremism will decline!

And that is just is the start!

In other words, a fresh new start for humans and the earth!

---------- Post added at 14:54 ---------- Previous post was at 14:53 ----------

Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy

Because that worked at a european level didnt it

Because their economies were not fully intergreated, and also it was done in a way that only helped the rich (who could avoid it as well)

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

My point is .........snipped the rubbish again

repeating it doesn't make it any more sane you know Alan

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

repeating it doesn't make it any more sane you know Alan

The only insane in CF are the ones who promote and defend a failed economic and social system!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

aaah but you see it doesn't work at a european level because it's not a global level ....and Alan didn't think of it

Yes that's the problem, the EU didn't think big enough...

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes that's the problem, the EU didn't think big enough...

That is correct!

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Got any better ideas?

Why ask for better ideas when what you are posting is not ideas but fantasy. Why should people feed you with real debate when you are not debating at all and are doing something else all together.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Why ask for better ideas when what you are posting is not ideas but fantasy. Why should people feed you with real debate when you are not debating you are doing something else.

This is a real debate and the only fantasy ideas on CF are ones done by people who defend and promote a failed economic, poltical and social system!!

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It only seems to be you that think the current economic and social systems are broken beyond recovery.

These are the systems that have seen so many people in the world become more wealthy and healthy that their grandparents could ever have imagined. Even the poorest in society have more than the poorest in times gone by.

No systems are perfect and I have no doubt that the current ones will evolve but some socialist utopia isn't going to come about because human nature is against it. We as a race are selfish, that is the animal inside us: Like any animal we want to take all the resorces we can get our hands on and keep them for ourselves and deny others access to them.

Quite simply we are not created equal.

But that is to diverge from the topic.

Pay is frozen because the country has been paying itself too much for too long and there has to be a re-balancing. That also means a reduction in living standards as we are weaned off the credit boom of the noughties.

Yes, but this current economic and social system is no longer benefiting the general public, only the rich, it also caused this great depression. The REAL reason why Pay is frozen is because they rich have taken control of democracy and capitalism and used to benefit themselves that ended up causing the worst depression since the 1930s. To pay for the rich then exploit we even more (after taking away union power and the benefits that came with it)!!!

P.S. I do not want to abolish Capitalism and Democracy, but radically reform it!!!

[mark1234]

Originally Posted by martyh

is that aimed at me or Alan ?

Alan. Obviously!

Originally Posted by mark1234

Alan. Obviously!

Thank god for that i thought we had two Alans

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

This is a real debate and the only fantasy ideas on CF are ones done by people who defend and promote a failed economic, poltical and social system!!

Your record is stuck

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes that's the problem, the EU didn't think big enough...

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

That is correct!

Let me help you with that.....

Irony