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Originally Posted by Osem

.... and what happens when they're not making any or enough profits to meet their ongoing pension obligations?

As you say ,sanctions will be imposed ,maybe forced take overs of small companies by larger more profitable companies untill eventually the whole world is run by one humongous company called ......the World Government

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Osem

I have an idea which will require no law changes at all. How about the Likes of Alan Fry who so clearly dislike wealth/profits and empathise so much for the poor, stop taking advantage of any tax avoiding measures/reliefs and start donating all their excess income to the sort of causes they bang on about. Being the very senior manager he is (in charge of 1000s of by all accounts), our Mr Fry must be doing very nicely thank you and must therefore feel genuinely upset about how well off he is compared to so many here and around the globe. I therefore suggest he (and any like him who support his views) donates anything he's ever inadvertently* avoided by way of tax and any income over the UK average wage (unless he feels really charitable and wants to give more) to charity. No need to wait for a world government to be formed or even wheels within wheels to turn and new tax rules be drafted. This way he'll be setting the rest of us a wonderful example and be able to carry on his moral and political crusade free of any moral burden that he's part of the problem he spends so much of his life whingeing about. He could even post the details of what he's done here so that he might encourage others to do likewise.....


* I'm certain Mr Fry would never have deliberately avoided tax as that would seem more than a tad hypocritical.

I do not have much excess income and I do not deliberately avoid or take advantage tax avoiding schemes. Also the UK average wage is too low for anyone to live on, pay the mortgage etc and for goodness sake I am not part of the problem since I am not a member of the 1%.

I am not keen on giving money to charities because they are wasteful and they do not help develop nations, no nation has become a major power was developed with the help of charity.

Even If I donate all the money I have, it will not make much of a difference, if all the rich did though is that would make a difference.

What you do not get is that most of the world’s wealth is in the hands of the wealthy (which I am not a member of). So what we need is a world government and radical reforms to democracy and capitalism

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

As you say ,sanctions will be imposed ,maybe forced take overs of small companies by larger more profitable companies untill eventually the whole world is run by one humongous company called ......the World Government

.... and nodbody will be able to choose something else, argue with it or differ from it. What a Utopia that sounds......

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

As you say ,sanctions will be imposed ,maybe forced take overs of small companies by larger more profitable companies untill eventually the whole world is run by one humongous company called ......the World Government

there will be fewer companies (all holding monopolies) that will either be state owned or are co-operatives

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Originally Posted by Osem

.... and nodbody will be able to choose something else, argue with it or differ from it. What a Utopia that sounds......

At least you get decent jobs, pensions, benefits, heathcare and education, and thats just the start

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I do not have much excess income and I do not deliberately avoid or take advantage tax avoiding schemes. Also the UK average wage is too low for anyone to live on, pay the mortgage etc and for goodness sake I am not part of the problem since I am not a member of the 1%.

I am not keen on giving money to charities because they are wasteful and they do not help develop nations, no nation has become a major power was developed with the help of charity.

Even If I donate all the money I have, it will not make much of a difference, if all the rich did though is that would make a difference.

What you do not get is that most of the world’s wealth is in the hands of the wealthy (which I am not a member of). So what we need is a world government and radical reforms to democracy and capitalism

I really don't know where to start with this post ,i'll let someone else tear it apart ,my head hurts now

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

I really don't know where to start with this post ,i'll let someone else tear it apart ,my head hurts now

I do not know why defenders of a failed system fight so hard to defend their points

This is no doubt MADNESS!!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I do not know why defenders of a failed system fight so hard to defend their points

This is no doubt MADNESS!!

You have never spoken/typed a truer statement, Alan.....

But actually, I think you will find that

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[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I do not know why defenders of a failed system fight so hard to defend their points

This is no doubt MADNESS!!

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You have never spoken/typed a truer statement, Alan.....

But actually, I think you will find that

What is madness is that a lot of people are defending a failed system

[Osem]

Whereas what they're actually pointing out to you is that your 'system' is based on so many ifs, buts, maybes and false assumptions/premises that it's totally unrealistic.

As for your convenient excuse about charitable giving, if you did what I suggested it'd be far from a meaningless gesture to those you offered help to wouldn't it? For those people it could be the difference between eating and not eating, heating and not heating couldn't it? For someone who's apparently fairly well off you don't seem very keen to back up your rhetoric with action or pounds from your own pocket. Rather than help some people right now from your own pocket you'd rather help none and claim charitable giving is just a con. Odd that...

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Osem

Whereas what they're actually pointing out to you is that your 'system' is based on so many ifs, buts, maybes and false assumptions/premises that it's totally unrealistic.

It is certainly more realistic and better than the one we have got!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

It is certainly more realistic and better than the one we have got!

Yeah right matey, you just keep telling yourself that and taking the tablets...

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yeah right matey, you just keep telling yourself that and taking the tablets...

What drugs are you and your friends taking?

Really this campain to keep a failed system has reached an all time low

While we are doing this, the rich are never having it so good, our our expence!

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Yes, but those 1.6 million are struggling, along with millions more out of work, all because of the fault of wealthy and major business!!!

It is about time governments cared more about unions (and people) than business and that is the fault of Labour, Lib Dem and Tory!

They may be struggling, but they would be struggling a lot more if they didn't have those jobs. Also, I think you'll find I said that businesses do have a direct responsibility for this.

It's about time Governments cared more about the people. Unions, as the RMT have often proved, have their own agendas, in much the same way businesses do. Agendas which ultimately won't necessarily prove to be in the interest of anyone (even their members).

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Stuart

They may be struggling, but they would be struggling a lot more if they didn't have those jobs. Also, I think you'll find I said that businesses do have a direct responsibility for this.

It's about time Governments cared more about the people. Unions, as the RMT have often proved, have their own agendas, in much the same way businesses do. Agendas which ultimately won't necessarily prove to be in the interest of anyone (even their members).

The Union's agendas involve their member which is a lot of working people, so the Unions are acting in their interest, unlike the government and business