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[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I have siad I am not a mmeber of the 1%

And I've said I'm dating Anne Hathaway. Don't as me for her autograph though.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by gazzae

And I've said I'm dating Anne Hathaway. Don't as me for her autograph though.

Well unlike you I am NOT joking!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

If it's legal then live and let live The reason companies & individuals can do that type of stuff is that the tax laws are so complicated. Who made them complicated? The government(s). It's a little more than claiming personal allowances though. Livingstone set up a company, maxed out what he could pay his other half etc.....

Lol the government made us do it, reminded me of that open letter the other week where a load of people asked for the 50p tax rate to be dropped as it was causing them to avoid tax and not give as much to charity and I wasn't talking about Ken in particular but normal self employed tax payers here that seem to have the idea that them claiming for allowances puts them in the same catagory as the pearson group and the like.

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Well unlike you I am NOT joking!

You ARE dating Anne Hathaway then?

Originally Posted by gazzae

So now you have realised you're part of the 1%, its not the 1%'s fault anymore?

Absolutely brilliant

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I have checked that and I can tell you I am not a member of the 1%!

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Well unlike you I am NOT joking!

No your fantasising

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Originally Posted by martyh

Absolutely brilliant

Seconded.

We are now see the real Alan Fry emerging. Definitely a member of the "Whats yours is mine and whats mine is my own" Clan.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Lol the government made us do it, reminded me of that open letter the other week where a load of people asked for the 50p tax rate to be dropped as it was causing them to avoid tax and not give as much to charity and I wasn't talking about Ken in particular but normal self employed tax payers here that seem to have the idea that them claiming for allowances puts them in the same catagory as the pearson group and the like.

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You ARE dating Anne Hathaway then?

No, I am not dating Anne Hathaway, becuase I am already married!

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Originally Posted by Sirius

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No your fantasising

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Seconded.

We are now see the real Alan Fry emerging. Definitely a member of the "Whats yours is mine and whats mine is my own" Clan.

I am not a member of the 1% and I am not a member of "Whats yours is mine and whats mine is my own" Clan

This is nothing more that an attempt to move the debate away from the real issues!

Remember the only fantasists round here are people (like yourself and your friends) who defend and promote a failed economic, social and poltical system!

[Ramrod]

I'm in the "1%".....according to the figures mentioned earlier.
I also employ 11 people at above the minimum wage. So, according to you Alan, I'm part of the problem?

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm in the "1%".....according to the figures mentioned earlier.
I also employ 11 people at above the minimum wage. So, according to you Alan, I'm part of the problem?

1% in terms of income?

Im my opinon the problem are millionaires, billionaires, major companies (and their excutive leadership) and the politicians who they back (which is nearly all of them)

You actually mean the 0.1%, but I don't suppose facts come into the equation.....

To be in the top 1%, you need to earn over £149k pa - link

btw, you may (or may not) find this article from the BBC interesting...

Some 60% of households are net recipients from the Treasury - though it may not always feel that way. The top 10% of households contribute, on average, five times more than they get back....

....Public spending is increasingly dominated by three big spending areas: social security, health and education. Together, they took up 60% of the total spending pie in 2010-11. Back in 1978-9 that figure was 45% (source: IFS).....

...The top 1% of earners - just 300,000 people - pay 27% of all income tax....

....In 2010-11, we spent more paying interest on our national debt than we did defending the realm.....

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You actually mean the 0.1%, but I don't suppose facts come into the equation.....

To be in the top 1%, you need to earn over £149k pa - link

btw, you may (or may not) find this article from the BBC interesting...

But there is still tens of billions worth of Tax Evasion each yea, around £70 Billion each year!

If we reclaimed it all beack over the past few decades, we would not need to have spending cuts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...x-evasion-cuts

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

But there is still tens of billions worth of Tax Evasion each yea, around £70 Billion each year!

If we reclaimed it all beack over the past few decades, we would not need to have spending cuts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...x-evasion-cuts

A new record from Alan for the most idiotic statement on CF .
Tax evasion is illegal and will always be reclaimed and sometimes even end up with the tax evader in jail.Tax avoidance is legal ,admittedly sometimes it is morally dubious but still legal so you can't reclaim it because no laws have been broken

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

But there is still tens of billions worth of Tax Evasion each yea, around £70 Billion each year!

If we reclaimed it all beack over the past few decades, we would not need to have spending cuts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...x-evasion-cuts

I disagree with some of the conclusions in that article, for example:

That negligence is now costing us dearly. For example, Italy is losing €183bn a year to tax evasion in my estimate. Its total external debt is €1.9tn. If it had only suffered the UK's rate of evasion in the last decade then its deficit would be less than half that sum now. The same would also be true for Greece, and only slight less so for Spain. In other words, if tax evasion had been taken seriously and been tackled in these countries we would not have a crisis in the eurozone today.

Something similar could be said for the UK. The US has an evasion rate about two thirds that of the UK. If we had reduced our tax evasion rate to US levels in the last decade we might owe £200bn less in debt now. Alternatively, cuts of more than £20bn a year could be avoided in the UK economy now with our debt still being tackled at the current rate. That could prevent most of the current stress in the NHS; sixth-formers would still have maintenance allowances and we might not be facing a national strike next week.

I'm fairly certain that he's incorrect because if that extra tax had actally been collected then the governments of those countries would simply have spent it all. Just like our dear old Prudence Brown did....
.............and if snakes had legs they'd be lizards

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

A new record from Alan for the most idiotic statement on CF .
Tax evasion is illegal and will always be reclaimed and sometimes even end up with the tax evader in jail.Tax avoidance is legal ,admittedly sometimes it is morally dubious but still legal so you can't reclaim it because no laws have been broken

Yes, but most tax evaders get a way with it, how many multi billion returns of missing tax money have happened?

Still waiting for Phillip Green to do that!

Again, you confuse avoidance with evasion.....

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Again, you confuse avoidance with evasion.....

One is legal and one is not, but both are 100% wrong and immoral.