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BadPhormula · 06-06-2008, 11:50

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Another one of my posts deleted

This is getting to be a regular thing these days.

I suppose this is K~nt Ertugrul's way of backing out of the adopt an African child PR move!? (anyway still room for digging the dirt on the details of this story) I still expect to see big kind hearted K~nt on the front of Oxfam's newsletter digging a village well and carrying starving children to safety on his shoulders, bless you K~nt you're all heart!

Alex, Man! You should have told the K~nt to Ph~ck off, you're too polite for your own good! It would have been fantastic to challenge them in court even if you would have got a legal hammering, your kred and kudos would be massive. You could have used the newpaper/media interest to bring this story to a much wider audience, a great tactical move. Forget all this queensbury rules nonsense you've got to fight dirty with those BT/Phorm scumbags.

Anyone know where K~nt parks his bentley? (where's my thermit?

)

AlexanderHanff · 06-06-2008, 12:13

I would rather be here using my time to fight the deployment of this technology and fighting for justice for the victims of the covert trials, than wasting time defending baseless accusations of defamation in a court room.

Plus, I made a mistake it is simple as that, it would be poor form (excuse the pun) not to apologise and retract the statement (as I had already done). I made it very clear to Emma that I have no intention of retracting the question of whether or not BT misled ICO.

Alexander Hanff

Marku · 06-06-2008, 12:15

im probably going sky broadband. virgin have screwed me over

SelfProtection · 06-06-2008, 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadPhormula

Another one of my posts deleted

This is getting to be a regular thing these days.

I suppose this is K~nt Ertugrul's way of backing out of the adopt an African child PR move!? (anyway still room for digging the dirt on the details of this story) I still expect to see big kind hearted K~nt on the front of Oxfam's newsletter digging a village well and carrying starving children to safety on his shoulders, bless you K~nt you're all heart!

Alex, Man! You should have told the K~nt to Ph~ck off, you're too polite for your own good! It would have been fantastic to challenge them in court even if you would have got a legal hammering, your kred and kudos would be massive. You could have used the newpaper/media interest to bring this story to a much wider audience, a great tactical move. Forget all this queensbury rules nonsense you've got to fight dirty with those BT/Phorm scumbags.

Anyone know where K~nt parks his bentley? (where's my thermit?

)

On this I totally disagree, Alex your family comes first they are the future, we are the present & need to prepare our offspring properly for their own future.

Short term gain and long term Loss is not a very good strategy.

Florence · 06-06-2008, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by SelfProtection

On this I totally disagree, Alex your family comes first they are the future, we are the present & need to prepare our offspring properly for their own future.

Short term gain and long term Loss is not a very good strategy.

I agree Alex did the honerable thing we still wait for BT to do the same.

if you wish to listed to Emma again here on BBC news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...news=1&bbcws=1

icsys · 06-06-2008, 12:36

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Originally Posted by BetBlowWhistler

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04...rm_2006_trial/

Alexander Hanff

The one from 1st April 2008?

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Documents seen by The Register

So how come this document has only just come to the public eye if the Reg had a copy of it at the beginning of April?

<disappointed>
This is how we missed it then, Chris hasn't provided a link to the document either. I'd like to know why Chris hasn't followed up with a least an updated article with the link to wikileaks and re-posted it on the front page.
</disappointed>

No wonder I couldn't find the article in question... It would appear that El Reg published details of the 'leaked document' eight weeks before it was leaked!

Florence · 06-06-2008, 12:36

What happened to the pdf on https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Image:BT_Report
Image:BT Report

No file by this name exists, you can upload it.
Links

There are no pages that link to this file.
Also since the register had its mention here about the leaked report that has also vanished.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04...rm_2006_trial/
404: Page Not Found

Hi there. Maybe you typed in the wrong URL, or hit on a bad link. Or maybe the page you thought you were going to read no longer exists in our database.

If you think we've got something wrong please email webmaster@theregister.co.uk noting exactly where you found the bad link.

Smells of Corporate cover up to me...

tdadyslexia · 06-06-2008, 12:41

I would love to see the BBC news get Emma back on the show, and say watt were you saying Emma, no personal info went out, yep pull the other one!

bluecar1 · 06-06-2008, 12:45

can i throw this one in as well

http://www.out-law.com/page-9165

google are getting grief from the EU over offering adwords of copyrighted and trademarked words

hmm, could be an issue for phorm as well

peter

Frank Rizzo · 06-06-2008, 12:47

Florence - the wiki page moved to another page.

The reg link there seems to be cut and pasted as it now contains the shortened ... anotation which this messageboard uses. You need to click on / paste the full url.

bluecar1 · 06-06-2008, 12:47

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Originally Posted by Marku

im probably going sky broadband. virgin have screwed me over

i wouldnt do that, i think sky were looking at phorm as well as orange if my memory is correct

peter

icsys · 06-06-2008, 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluecar1

i wouldnt do that, i think sky were looking at phorm as well as orange if my memory is correct

peter

Yes, both Orange and Sky said they were 'having discussions' with companies in this area. No specic mention of which companies.

The following 'snippet' was reported back in Feb:

A spokesman for Sky, the UK's fastest growing broadband network with about 1.2 million lines, said: "Sky is interested in exploring the potential for targeted online advertising and is talking with a number of companies operating in this area.

Full article:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02...d_isp_targets/

Florence · 06-06-2008, 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia

I would love to see the BBC news get Emma back on the show, and say watt were you saying Emma, no personal info went out, yep pull the other one!

Already emailed BBC with link to leaked report and questions that need to be answered about the report plus I am sure they will find many.

Also the bit about still going through the phorm kit evenif you did opt out which once opting out is illegal interception.
Suggested if BT wanted to follow this course they would have to consider a two teir internet one that is phorm phree as in no contact at all with phorm kit andf the reduced price phorm connection opted in where the customer is paid for the use of the clicks with lower priced uncapped internet sicne these adverts would be using bandwith the customer is capped on...

oblonsky · 06-06-2008, 12:58

Message of support to Alex

I know in the past I have been critical of minor aspects of the focus of the campaign, and be assured that I've been working behind the scenes with technology, media and political contacts to help stop or curb Phorm and other data tracking/profiling within ISPs, but I want to add my voice of support to Alex in the face of strong-armed legal threats from BT.

In my view there is rarely justification for any large organisation to issue a legal threat BEFORE first entering into civil discussions when the other party is a private individual or smaller company with limited resources.

Shame on BT. I'm sure if a reasonably senior person from BT had explained the situation to Alex he would have corrected the mistake but yet again we see David v. Goliath attacking free speech and free expression, which was obviously presented as a personal opinion in the first place.

unicus · 06-06-2008, 12:58

I've been rather busy of late and not been able to keep up with this Phorm debate - thanks to all those that have - but it seems things have been going the way one would expect and to quote the immortal words of Mahatma Gandhi "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Hopefully the end is not too far away