Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No surprise to anyone who's followed what France and Germany were saying in the months after the Brexit vote. Not sure what the UK can do about this so I'd welcome hearing any negotiating tips that will change the EU 27's minds.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...xit-timetable/

they'll both be out of a job soon so their opinion counts for nowt , we have lots of money they want lets try hard ball -no deal no dough .

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

they'll both be out of a job soon so their opinion counts for nowt , we have lots of money they want lets try hard ball -no deal no dough .

That is totally true the EU Just wants the UK for it's cash they are not bothered if we are part of the brother hood as we were always sidelined anyway.

Cameron saying we have a voice and can make changes within the EU showed how little influance we had.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They made lots of promises but this is one promise they should have carried out unilaterally.

Blame the Leave leaders who wanted it, but couldn't because they were not leading the Government (PM)


Blame the Government who offered to do it quickly but were rebuffed by the EU.


Where is your condemnation of the EU?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Blame the Leave leaders who wanted it, but couldn't because they were not leading the Government (PM)


Blame the Government who offered to do it quickly but were rebuffed by the EU.


Where is your condemnation of the EU?

I'm beginning to think CF has been infiltrated by Jean Claude Junker...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Blame the Leave leaders who wanted it, but couldn't because they were not leading the Government (PM)

Blame the Government who offered to do it quickly but were rebuffed by the EU.

Where is your condemnation of the EU?

It can be done unilaterally so I blame the government for not doing it. Simples.

Nothing to do with the EU 27. The EU can't decide this on their behalf, it's not the United States of Europe by a long chalk yet though the UK leaving the EU may result in such a thing being more likely.

On a lighter note, I found this rather amusing.

All hail Article 50 Day – let's celebrate with a bendy banana slide in Liam Fox Park and public shaming of Remoaners

[Kursk]

And another thing: Nigel Farage should be knighted.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

And another thing: Nigel Farage should be knighted.

or sainthood bestowed upon him [our saviour ]

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Kursk

And another thing: Nigel Farage should be knighted.

Kursk, you're ahead of the game sir. In this case, by 2 days

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by pip08456

As usual your are incorrect and trying to twist the facts to suit you own agenda. You really need to get over it.

Out of a total of 46,500,001 registered voters 72.2% voted (total 33,577,342),
the majority of those voted leave.

No this is important. There is no twisting here. Any idiot can do the simple mathematics. You need to accept the truth and move on.

We are all Leaving now so lets make sure we get a deal that caters for whole countries interests.

Surely even you cannot want a deal that alienates half the country. The word is compromise ..

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm not sure what your point is. It's a vote to leave the EU, it's not a vote to follow the more extreme policies of Farage or Paul Dacre. If it was the other way round, 52% remain, it wouldn't be a mandate for the UK to join the Euro or Shengen area. The closeness of the vote matters; a 67% vote would give the winning side carte blanche but not 52% v 48%.

This is precisely the point yet some are too blind to see it. There is no Winners or Losers here. To paint this black and white picture would be something only a child would do.

The real world is more complex. May has to be shrewd and play to the UK's strengths but compromise where it is in the UK's long terms interests.

She must also take a view to the security of Europe and the threat of Putin's Russia. Putin was estactic that we voted to leave the EU. It plays directly into his hands of divide and conquer.

Only by standing together can Europe hope to call Putin's bluff.

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[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mr K

a 'deep and special relationship'. Take out a couple of lines and it could almost have been an application letter to join !

A 'deep and special relationship' is fine between two sovereign nations, or a sovereign nation and the federal states of Europe. Surely that is to be encouraged? The key word is Sovereignty. Sovereignty, and all the decisions flows from it, is, in a nutshell, what Brexit was all about.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

A 'deep and special relationship' is fine between two sovereign nations, or a sovereign nation and the federal states of Europe. Surely that is to be encouraged? The key word is Sovereignty. Sovereignty, and all the decisions flows from it, is, in a nutshell, what Brexit was all about.

Except, as your Government has informed you, we do have sovereignty.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7559556.html

Think I may have found one advantage of Brexit! A cheaper way to drown our sorrows!

Return of the booze cruise: ferry chiefs plan to slash wine and beer prices after Britain leaves the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-beer-prices/

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Except, as your Government has informed you, we do have sovereignty.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7559556.html
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That is nonsense in any practicle sense. Linking to another Independent article
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7559066.html

2. Taking control of our own laws – We will take control of our own statute book and bring an end to the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice of the European Union in the UK.

Any country that seeds parts of ongoing law making, to a multinational court is not Soveriegn. End of.

Any rational thinking person defies sovereignty as:

Control of Borders
Control of taxes
Control of laws

Originally Posted by passingbat

That is nonsense in any practicle sense. Linking to another Independent article
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7559066.html

Any country that seeds parts of ongoing law making, to a multinational court is not Soveriegn. End of.

Any rational thinking person defies sovereignty as:

Control of Borders
Control of taxes
Control of laws

Utter claptrap you been reading the Mail too much .The very fact we had a referendum (put into law by Parliament) and then (Parliament) gave May permission to invoke A50 proves we haven't lost our sovereignty .Parliament always maintained it's authority over Europe ,Parliament allows European law to be enacted in the UK and could have withdrawn that permission at any time simply by revoking the European Communities act 1972

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Originally Posted by ianch99

No this is important. There is no twisting here. Any idiot can do the simple mathematics. You need to accept the truth and move on.

We are all Leaving now so lets make sure we get a deal that caters for whole countries interests.

Surely even you cannot want a deal that alienates half the country. The word is compromise ..

The problem is that a lot of Brexiters on this forum don't actually realise how slim the margin was,all they see is 52% vs 48% which in no way reflects the will of the country as a whole .They don't actually want to admit that the will of the people wasn't represented at all by the result

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by martyh

Utter claptrap you been reading the Mail too much .

You are entitled to your opinion. BTW, I barely ever read the Mail.


I can see the hidden plan behind increasingly eroded national sovereignty. That is why many liberal (one world, living in peace and harmony; UN Agenda 2030) thinking people hate Brexit and Trump.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by passingbat

You are entitled to your opinion. BTW, I barely ever read the Mail.


I can see the hidden plan behind increasingly eroded national sovereignty. That is why many liberal (one world, living in peace and harmony; UN Agenda 2030) thinking people hate Brexit and Trump.

Wanting peace and harmony? I'll plead guilty to that.

Increasingly people seem to seek out confrontation for the sake of it. There must be losers and we must 'beat you' , and be as nasty as possible in the process (this forum is a perfect example of that !). I blame an increasing Americanisation of the UK and reality TV (e.g the Apprentice, wonder who was behind that? ) It's the US that's eroding our 'Britishness' , not the EU.