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Old 14-10-2017, 14:29   #616
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Let's try and keep Brexit in the Brexit thread please..
Sorry about that. The invitation was made to continue conversation there but sadly not taken. The poster was too busy suggesting the European Union are Nazis to take the time to respond to my question.

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Austerity (or more accurately living within our means) is not something you can sell to the electorate. Hence the election campaign the Conservatives embarked upon.
Theresa May has put the good of the country's finances above any other single issue. Welfare spending and NHS cuts have to happen, the economy can't sustain either, though both are politically sensitive and the case for it has to be made.
No they don't. If we can fix our productivity issues we will generate the tax revenues we require to properly fund our public services without borrowing more.

We've done nothing to address them, unfortunately, we've managed to create an economy where many are employed but many of them aren't very productive.

Time, perhaps, to take a different approach involving investment in education, infrastructure and trying to light a torch under our private sector. Public investment has been too low for too long and private investment has started tanking too.
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Old 15-10-2017, 06:30   #617
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No they don't. If we can fix our productivity issues we will generate the tax revenues we require to properly fund our public services without borrowing more.

We've done nothing to address them, unfortunately, we've managed to create an economy where many are employed but many of them aren't very productive.

Time, perhaps, to take a different approach involving investment in education, infrastructure and trying to light a torch under our private sector. Public investment has been too low for too long and private investment has started tanking too.
I want to cut through endless debate on this topic, so I will explain the rationale (as I understand it) underpinning this and future debates.

The world's problems stem from overpopulation. Simply put, the less of us on this planet, the better it is for those who remain (within reason). Overpopulation impacts our lives through immigration and resource shortages. An economy is built on energy and sustained by it. The richest economies in the world have a relatively low population and access to a surplus of energy resources, in the form of petroleum, coal, uranium and natural gas.
Almost all western countries are net importer of oil. Peak oil production, globally has already taken place and countries who adhere to the basic tenets (as outlined) are electrifying their transportation system.
The UK has already begun with infrastructure projects such as crossrail and HS2. Hinkley point C and Bradwell nuclear power stations are meant to replace some of our existing nuclear fleet. Although more will have to be built if the country is to transition away from fossil fuels and power the new infrastructure.

In addition to this there's wind farm projects like the London array, Walney Extension, Greater Gabbard among others.
It would be remiss of me, if I wasn't to admit to the short comings of renewable energy, especially energy density and transmission loses. But I will say it's currently our only, realistic, hope of maintaining our standard of living beyond this century.

In regards to productivity, we can't compete with wages from China and India. That's the long and short of it.
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Old 15-10-2017, 20:42   #618
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Low population is a function of economic success and the longer-lived, healthier population that comes with it. The pressure to reproduce in sufficient numbers to ensure the survival of the next generation is removed. Population isn’t the problem, it is a symptom of the problem that there are massive swathes of the world that are playing catch-up with the West.
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The Tories have been ordered to abstain on the vote about Universal Credit (it's non-brinding) so Labour have ensured the vote goes ahead rather than being noded though by putting forward two of their own MPs as No: https://twitter.com/elashton/status/920711929274011652
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The Tories have been ordered to abstain on the vote about Universal Credit (it's non-brinding) so Labour have ensured the vote goes ahead rather than being noded though by putting forward two of their own MPs as No: https://twitter.com/elashton/status/920711929274011652
As no tellers. There's a difference and will not the vote being passed.
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As no tellers. There's a difference and will not the vote being passed.
I don't know what you mean for the last part.

Yeah they'll be no tellers but my understanding is that it forces a vote with numbers, and the chance for Tory rebellions (they got 1), rather than just passing it without a vote.
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Should've read "will not stop the vote being passed". It may force a vote but won't change the outcome.
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Should've read "will not stop the vote being passed". It may force a vote but won't change the outcome.
Oh yeah. Precisely. They just wanted the vote.
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Oh yeah. Precisely. They just wanted the vote.
To draw attention to the PM declining to pause the roll-out and Labour advocating it is paused?
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To draw attention to the PM declining to pause the roll-out and Labour advocating it is paused?
You really think the roll out is going to be paused????
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You really think the roll out is going to be paused????
Um no, what makes you think that?
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