U.S Election 2016

[Pierre]

It depends, you need a mix of interrogation methods.

Would also be good if "torture" was better defined, so we know exactly what we're talking about.

Professional interrogaters know torture is very effective and does deliver credible results the trouble is in the west the public doesn't want to know it's being done on their behalf and acts outraged when it comes out it has been used. The fact is if torture was as ineffective as some like to think backed up by studies that never involve the people who interrogate it would not still be used as nobody in the military or intelligence services enjoys wasting their time on zero result producing techniques. Chemical interrogation is becoming more productive as well and it's usually a combination of chemical and physical that deliver results.

Originally Posted by Damien

May's speech yesterday was ok. I hope she pushes the importance of NATO with Trump.

He already knows, he has pushed out the same rhetoric on it all through his campaign and he is right on one aspect of it, certain NATO members need to pay their fair share of defense spending, a fact the PM highlighted herself in the speech.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Professional interrogaters know torture is very effective and does deliver credible results the trouble is in the west the public doesn't want to know it's being done on their behalf and acts outraged when it comes out it has been used. The fact is if torture was as ineffective as some like to think backed up by studies that never involve the people who interrogate it would not still be used as nobody in the military or intelligence services enjoys wasting their time on zero result producing techniques. Chemical interrogation is becoming more productive as well and it's usually a combination of chemical and physical that deliver results.

Cripes. It might deliver results but are they helpful ? ie. the recipient just saying whatever the interrogator wants to hear to make it stop. And just stirring up more hate, resentment and radicalisation in the meantime The results of US handywork can already be seen.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Professional interrogaters know torture is very effective and does deliver credible results the trouble is in the west the public doesn't want to know it's being done on their behalf and acts outraged when it comes out it has been used. The fact is if torture was as ineffective as some like to think backed up by studies that never involve the people who interrogate it would not still be used as nobody in the military or intelligence services enjoys wasting their time on zero result producing techniques. Chemical interrogation is becoming more productive as well and it's usually a combination of chemical and physical that deliver results.

Well, I find it double standards, that in the Far East, you have heads being chopped off, just for being a Christian, gays being pushed off buildings, women having no rights at all, children being hired out as sex slaves, same women with no rights, being repeatedly raped by several men at a time and very few heads in the media world are turned, yet, here we are, the press and some folks getting a bit precious about what is happening in the West with the President of the United States and what he thinks about some Torture methods.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Cripes. It might deliver results but are they helpful ? ie. the recipient just saying whatever the interrogator wants to hear to make it stop. And just stirring up more hate, resentment and radicalisation in the meantime The results of US handywork can already be seen.

It might deliver results but are they helpful? If it save just one life then YES!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

It might deliver results but are they helpful? If it save just one life then YES!

And if it costs hundreds more because of the resulting hatred stirred up ?

Yes it is helpful and if we weren't so precious about it the benefits could be more rationally explained but the public prefers largely to know it happens but not have to admit they know or allow it so long as we don't talk about it it's ok. Trained professional interrogaters know when someone is saying something to make it stop and they also are the first to cease torture if a person knows nothing. Despite the image of thugs getting their thrills interrogation and physical and chemical torture is a science and whilst that doesn't apply globally it predominately applies in the west and is continued because it produces verifiable results.

Most of those who hate the west would do so anyway does it hand them an excuse maybe but it's just an excuse to allow them to do what they want and will do anyway and perhaps if they weren't so happy to target civilians in cowardly attacks we wouldn't need to do it so much.

[Osem]

Well Trump's just confirmed, in his Q&A session with the PM, that he is going to be guided by General Mattis re the efficacy of torture and since Mattis reckons it doesn't work, that seems to be that.

May makes Corbyn look like an inept, pot smoking. corduroy clad, polytechnic lecturer from the 1970's.

Originally Posted by Osem

May makes Corbyn look like an inept, pot smoking. corduroy clad, polytechnic lecturer from the 1970's.

To be fair if Corbyn was a Tory then the media would be praising him for how well he has, one by one, taken down the shadow cabinet.

Originally Posted by Damien

To be fair if Corbyn was a Tory then the media would be praising him for how well he has, one by one, taken down the shadow cabinet.

And not just the once......

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Well Trump's just confirmed, in his Q&A session with the PM, that he is going to be guided by General Mattis re the efficacy of torture and since Mattis reckons it doesn't work, that seems to be that.

Maybe but watching some wild eyed bearded loony that would chop off your head at the first opportunity getting some of his own medicine would be very satisfying.

May makes Corbyn look like an inept, pot smoking. corduroy clad, polytechnic lecturer from the 1970's.

He isn't?

Exactly. He's been the most effective politician in recent years at taking votes from Labour.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Exactly. He's been the most effective politician in recent years at taking votes from Labour.

maybe even as effective as nick clegg at taking votes from the lib/dems .

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

To be fair if Corbyn was a Tory then the media would be praising him for how well he has, one by one, taken down the shadow cabinet.

Yeah, he's doing a great job for the other side.