Post-Brexit Thread

Well this might have a positive effect on the markets tomorrow:

https://www.ft.com/content/a8ec5e90-...c-bdf38d484582

Britain would continue to pay billions of pounds into the EU budget after Brexit to maintain cherished single-market access for the City of London and other sectors under plans being discussed by Theresa May’s cabinet.

[1andrew1]

Irish leaders have warned of an economic “disaster” on both sides of the border without decisive action to confront the effects of Britain’s impending departure from the EU.

Amid warnings of “incalculable consequences” for the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland as the Brexit process unfolds, Ireland’s prime minister Enda Kenny will convene an unprecedented cross-border summit of political leaders to consider what steps to take.

McGrane predicted job losses after Christmas on both sides of the Irish Sea, saying it was not possible to “pent up price increases without being able to pass them on”.

A mushroom factory in the small rural town of Tipperary that closed in August was an early warning sign, a canary in the coalmine. An estimated 90% of mushrooms are exported to the UK, bringing in about €120m each year.

The Tipperary factory relied heavily on British sales and closed with the loss of 75 jobs as a direct result of Brexit, with the owner blaming the drop in sterling against the euro.

“I did not expect when the British people went to the polls that it would have had any consequence for a small town like ours,” independent councillor Denis Leahy told the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...looming-crisis

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I just don't know why you won't give me a straight answer to a straight question and be done with me.

Sigh. Damien has already spelt it out for you:

Originally Posted by Damien

They can and probably will.

If the Government tell Mr Carney to go, they are telling him what to do. That's as clear as I can be.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Sigh. Damien has already spelt it out for you:

If the Government tell Mr Carney to go, they are telling him what to do. That's as clear as I can be.

So do you really think Dr Carney should ignore his own job description and second-guess what the PM wants instead? I think people at his level are made of stronger stuff than that.

What I think some Brexiters object to is his openness. This was picked up during his job interview and seen then as a positive.

23. We welcome the fact that Dr Carney was prepared on occasion to offer views on things that his predecessors would have been reluctant to comment on publicly. For example, in his questionnaire he gave his view on how changes in individual countries could contribute to ameliorating the problems in the eurozone..
He told us that he intended to continue to offer such comment

Source: House of Commons Treasury Committee Appointment of Dr Mark Carney as Governor of the Bank of England HC 944 Published on 19 April 2013

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So do you really think Dr Carney should ignore his own job description and second-guess what the PM wants instead? I think people at his level are made of stronger stuff than that.

What I think some Brexiters object to is his openness. This was picked up during his job interview and seen then as a positive.

Source: House of Commons Treasury Committee Appointment of Dr Mark Carney as Governor of the Bank of England HC 944 Published on 19 April 2013

No, I don't, but nor is it wise of him to make public statements of an unnecessarily adversarial nature.

The BoE is independent but he was pro-remain; he stepped over the line and into politics. It was not simply openness, it was bias.

[papa smurf]

Time for pigmy Clegg and the moaners to grow up

Like the rest of the embittered moaners in the Remain camp, he cannot believe that on June 23 people knew exactly what they were voting for and did so with glad hearts, despite the lies of a snobbish metropolitan elite.


http://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...Ps-vote-Brexit

[Anypermitedroute]

Quite right, why should we let facts and reality get in the way of a mature debate. Thank god for the daily express that keeps the focus on those pesky swarm of foreigners.

Dammit I want British fruit and veg all year round picked by British hands served on a British plate using cutlery forged with British steel no mater what the cost is

P.s love the hypocrisy "How dare Clegg heap disdain on the 17 million who stood up for Britain’s interests and voted for Brexit. His argument is so juvenile he even invents a word for them – in “brenial”" - says the section that invented remoaners

I think this might be interest to some on here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/168882

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Time for pigmy Clegg and the moaners to grow up

Like the rest of the embittered moaners in the Remain camp, he cannot believe that on June 23 people knew exactly what they were voting for and did so with glad hearts, despite the lies of a snobbish metropolitan elite.


http://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...Ps-vote-Brexit

l am certainly not embittered old boy as l did not vote for Brexit and l ain't from from some imaginary snobbish metropoiltan elite as l was born in the worse area of our fair city so put that in your put that in your pipe and smoke it this morning as we are where we are and that is it as far as l am concerned.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think this might be interest to some on here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/168882

As produced and shared by a Tory Councillor in Guildford.



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Originally Posted by Damien

Well this might have a positive effect on the markets tomorrow:

https://www.ft.com/content/a8ec5e90-...c-bdf38d484582

Not right now. Offset by the news regarding Hammond being sidelined in meetings and his position in jeopardy for acting like a Chancellor / finance minister rather than a minister for Brexit propaganda.

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Originally Posted by denphone

l am certainly not embittered old boy as l did not vote for Brexit and l ain't from from some imaginary snobbish metropoiltan elite as l was born in the worse area of our fair city so put that in your put that in your pipe and smoke it this morning as we are where we are and that is it as far as l am concerned.

That quote is funny. A bunch of people clearly had no idea what they were voting for. They either expected others to pay the price or thought the cost to them would be extremely small.

That this doesn't look like being the case is why the Express, Mail and other media outlets along with politicians at various levels are turning up the propaganda dial to 11, and why they attack those with influence who mention it.





This fascistic crap is getting really, really scary now. There are always going to be some nutters on councils but when they are being egged on by national newspapers and politicians are leaning on 'independent' experts for being 'off message' it's pretty alarming. I don't think politics has stooped this low in my lifetime.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Kursk

No, I don't, but nor is it wise of him to make public statements of an unnecessarily adversarial nature.

The BoE is independent but he was pro-remain; he stepped over the line and into politics. It was not simply openness, it was bias.

Theresa May stated that there were “bad side effects” from the Bank of England’s loose monetary policy. A clear case of a born-again Brexiter wanting her cake and eating it as well. Fortunately, Dr Carney's reaction to this criticism was quite modest, restrained and non-adversarial, "it can be difficult sometimes if there are political comments on our policies”.
He continues to comment on the economy as that's one reason why he was chosen for the post. If you expect him to sugar-coat every item of economic news or kick bad news under the carpet then he's not your man.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Time for pigmy Clegg and the moaners to grow up

Like the rest of the embittered moaners in the Remain camp, he cannot believe that on June 23 people knew exactly what they were voting for and did so with glad hearts, despite the lies of a snobbish metropolitan elite.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...Ps-vote-Brexit

Can you explain what the 51.9% were voting for? How much immigration was it for? How much budget contribution to the EU was it for? How much free trade with the EU was it for? How much increased weekly contribution to the NHS?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

....he's not your man.

No he's not . For full Groundhog Day repetition of the story so far start here.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Kursk

No he's not . For full Groundhog Day repetition of the story so far start here.

The fact that you now acknowledge the Bank is required to operate independently, you now title Mark Carney correctly as Dr and not Mr but we disagree on the fact that he comments on issues is all progress in my book.
Trying to find a replacement who is pro-Brexit yet knows his monetary policy is a task that is probably harder than the Brexit negotiations!

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

As produced and shared by a Tory Councillor in Guildford.

There are so many odd-ball Councillors around. Everyone focuses on MPs and their expenses but local councils are full of stories that no one knows about. Fact finding trips to exotic places, internal politics akin to that you would find in school playgrounds, criminal offenses or Councillors trying to use the powers inexplicably given to them to prosecute/intimidate/bully anyone who questions them or anyone they've simply taken a dislike too.

One read of Private Eye makes you seriously question localism and devolving power to local areas.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The fact that you now acknowledge the Bank is required to operate independently

Always did

you now title Mark Carney correctly as Dr and not Mr

Do I?

but we disagree on the fact that he comments on issues is all progress in my book.

What is it like in airy-fairy land?

Trying to find a replacement who is pro-Brexit yet knows his monetary policy is a task that is probably harder than the Brexit negotiations!

In your opinion. Shouldn't you be managing domains or websites or something useful?