Marine killer deserves clemency - Page 11

11-11-2013, 21:40

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Originally Posted by SMG

About as ridiculous as the guy who killed a Pedophile, who had raped & murdered his daughter.

lol I seriously doubt he was not convicted of murder

Calm down I am worried you might shoot me or maybe run me over

SMG · 11-11-2013, 21:43

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

lol I seriously doubt he was not convicted of murder

Calm down I am worried you might shoot me or maybe run me over

No, your OK, you can relax.

11-11-2013, 21:43

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Originally Posted by SMG

No, your OK, you can relax.

phew lol

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 21:44

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

you want a convicted murderer to get a suspended sentence do you realise how ridiculous that is??

Not ridiculous at all.

This man is not a danger to the public.

11-11-2013, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Not ridiculous at all.

This man is not a danger to the public.

how do you know? we have arguments for his side about his state of mind do we not?

**Damien** · 11-11-2013, 21:47

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Originally Posted by SMG

I don't think anyone here has said he wasn't guilty, but some of you must accept that as most of you know nothing about service life, the few of us who have been in that situation, know a little more than you do. So, stop sitting back & telling us he is guilty, we know that, what we are asking for is a little understanding. We train men to kill, we send them out primed & ready to shoot, Kill, kill, kill, sometimes guys get complacent & a terrorists life means nothing to him. So he blats him.

If only those with experience of a profession where allowed to voice an opinion then this forum would have very few posts. As it is people who aren't in the police service criticise the police, people who aren't teacher criticise teachers, people who aren't nurses criticise nurses and so on.

No one here is applying a blanket criticism of the Armed Forces. This is one case which is so rare that it's actually the first of it's kind in this particular war. So it's hardly as if members of the forces are frequently brought up on murder charges for fighting a war. Presumably the court process found particular reason to convict this specific case. There was been no injustice here. The description of the video sounds like a pretty clear case and the court agreed.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Not ridiculous at all.

This man is not a danger to the public.

Plenty of murderers are not a danger to the public. We still send them to prison.

11-11-2013, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Damien

If only those with experience of a profession where allowed to voice an opinion then this forum would have very few posts. As it is people who aren't in the police service criticise the police, people who aren't teacher criticise teachers, people who aren't nurses criticise nurses and so on. Have you never expressed a negative opinion of the conduct of a member of a profession of which you haven't actually done?

No one here is applying a blanket criticism of the Armed Forces. This is one case which is so rare that it's actually the first of it's kind in this particular war. So it's hardly as if members of the forces are frequently brought up on murder charges for fighting a war. Presumably the court process found particular reason to convict this specific case. There was been no injustice here. The description of the video sounds like a pretty clear case and the court agreed.

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Plenty of murderers are not a danger to the public. We still send them to prison.

the very fact we do not know who he is shows that it is not a conviction for the sake of an example either

**Damien** · 11-11-2013, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Not "special treatment" but mitigation to be taken into consideration.

If a beaten wife kills her husband does she get a full life term? No.

Yes, she is guilty of the crime but the mitigation of years of abuse is taken into consideration and more lenient sentence is given.

This all that is asked for this soldier.

He isn't looking at a full life term. He is looking at spending the rest of his life on parole which is standard for all murder convictions. If the beaten wife was convicted of murder, and not manslaughter, she too would be on life term parole.

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 21:50

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

how do you know? we have arguments for his side about his state of mind do we not?

And do these arguments indicate he would kill a member of the public indiscriminately?

**Damien** · 11-11-2013, 21:52

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And do these arguments indicate he would kill a member of the public indiscriminately?

Again. Many murderers would not kill a member of the public indiscriminately. There is often a motive or a situation that would not apply the rest of the time. These people are still sent to prison and convicted of murder.

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Damien

He isn't looking at a full life term. He is looking at spending the rest of his life on parole which is standard for all murder convictions. If the beaten wife was convicted of murder, and not manslaughter, she too would be on life term parole.

Only 30 years, I believe a life tariff is 30 years ( I could be wrong )

I would be happy for him to be given life, with a recommendation he only serve at least 12 months.

**Damien** · 11-11-2013, 21:56

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Only 30 years, I believe a life tariff is 30 years ( I could be wrong )

I would be happy for him to be given life, with a recommendation he only serve at least 12 months.

He is looking at 15: http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/s...er_cases/#an05

The lowest starting point he can get.

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Damien

Again. Many murderers would not kill a member of the public indiscriminately. There is often a motive or a situation that would not apply the rest of the time. These people are still sent to prison and convicted of murder.

And sentences vary. I would recommend a suspended sentence, or a very short mandatory stint.

**Damien** · 11-11-2013, 21:58

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Originally Posted by Pierre

And sentences vary. I would recommend a suspended sentence, or a very short mandatory stint.

As far as I can see that cannot happen. It's a mandatory minimum sentence.

SMG · 11-11-2013, 22:01

Perhaps they may consider that as he rid the world of a terrorist, he should be given a light sentence?