06-07-2014, 18:00
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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you can increase and decrease in stature/status. Your statement is off the mark IMO.
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So when they felt a lapse in feeling powerful they abused. Did that sense of power carry them through life? Yes. Did that then carry into his career? Yes. Did they effectively **** on people? Yes. Why shouldn't the victims claim? Because his poor family will suffer?
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I didn't say the victims shouldn't claim (although I don't honestly think getting money, not matter how much, will reduce their suffering). I was merely making the point that they aren't the only victims of these crimes. Should the family be made to suffer because of what the abuser did?
As for suing the companies, I have no problem with that.
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06-07-2014, 18:05
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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I didn't say the victims shouldn't claim (although I don't honestly think getting money, not matter how much, will reduce their suffering). I was merely making the point that they aren't the only victims of these crimes. Should the family be made to suffer because of what the abuser did?
As for suing the companies, I have no problem with that.
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Justice will make them feel good. His crimes coming to light, him rightly being convicted of the crimes and some form of compensation. The family can make their own claim(s).
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06-07-2014, 18:26
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The Invisible Woman
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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Justice will make them feel good. His crimes coming to light, him rightly being convicted of the crimes and some form of compensation. The family can make their own claim(s).
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That paragraph is so convoluted as to be meaningless.Who will feel good? The victims or his family?
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06-07-2014, 18:33
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by thenry
Justice will make them feel good. His crimes coming to light, him rightly being convicted of the crimes and some form of compensation.
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victims.
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Originally Posted by thenry
The family can make their own claim(s).
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family.
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06-07-2014, 19:22
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by thenry
victims.
family.
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Hmm! So the blameless must be punished to suit your notions of right and wrong.What a black and white world you live in..Glad the rest of us don't live there.
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06-07-2014, 19:31
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Re: Operation Yewtree
ok i pay tv license. why should my legally required contribution pay compo for something i had sod all to do with ?
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06-07-2014, 21:57
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Re: Operation Yewtree
http://news.sky.com/story/1295878/mp...r-abuse-claims
This item will probably come under the same operation. When l got abused, yes, l was young, but it always went unoticed, I got abused for five years. Did l know what was happening. No, as my parents thought it was an everyday thing.
When l went into employment, l worked for a company and l was always tasked to work at hotels and offices around parliament.
You were told by security that they would have to be escorted to your van. As at the time of say 1.30am You would see things that would make your hair curl.
IF this document has been mislaid, its because they dont want it revealed, as it would cause uproar in certain circles.
Nowadays, people are coming out of the woodwork, simply for the compo.
People should try and watch 'Johnny go home'. Would l like to bring up the past - No. I cannot change the past, l have revealed certain parts to my wife, and she alone is the only person who knows.
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06-07-2014, 22:00
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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ok i pay tv license. why should my legally required contribution pay compo for something i had sod all to do with ?
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And how will that happen?
I haven't read of anyone suing the BBC...
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06-07-2014, 22:44
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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ok i pay tv license. why should my legally required contribution pay compo for something i had sod all to do with ?
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You do realise that it is likely that unless the family do pay compensation, we will all (as either or licence payers) be paying? All of the organisations under the spotlight are publicly funded.
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06-07-2014, 22:52
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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And how will that happen?
I haven't read of anyone suing the BBC...
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may be because
as for Jimmy Saviles victims...
m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21440827
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You do realise that it is likely that unless the family do pay compensation, we will all (as either or licence payers) be paying? All of the organisations under the spotlight are publicly funded.
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why is it one or the other. couldnt the victims sue both where theres a legit case? and yes i do realise i couldnt care less. i say give the victims some comfort black and white
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07-07-2014, 11:34
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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why is it one or the other. couldnt the victims sue both where theres a legit case? and yes i do realise i couldnt care less. i say give the victims some comfort black and white
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By making more victims? The families involved are, as far as we know, innocent of everything apart from being related to a child abuser. Why should they suffer?
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07-07-2014, 11:58
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Re: Operation Yewtree
Rolf Harris is responsible for that. His actions have consequences. Deal with it!
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07-07-2014, 13:35
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Re: Operation Yewtree
We seem to have reached the broken record stage in this thread..Neither side is going to change the other's mind so I reckon it's time to agree to disagree.
Good afternoon to you all.
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07-07-2014, 16:20
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by Stuart
By making more victims? The families involved are, as far as we know, innocent of everything apart from being related to a child abuser. Why should they suffer?
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In which case shouldn't the abuser have shown more concern for his families financial well being, he did the crime and if the court decides financial compensation will ease the victims suffering so be it.
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07-07-2014, 16:32
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Re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
In which case shouldn't the abuser have shown more concern for his families financial well being, he did the crime and if the court decides financial compensation will ease the victims suffering so be it.
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I have already said that the victims should have compensation. I was just making the point that there are more victims than people are counting.
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