U.S Election 2016 - Page 66

thenry · 10-11-2016, 16:51

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I honestly think it was inspite of his policies/gaffs he got elected. The main attraction being that he isn't Hilary or part of the Washington establishment. One Republican last night looked quite embarrased when questioned about some of the policies. He said the wall was probably a 'metaphorical' wall, not a real one ! Be hilarious if he really does mean it, 2000 miles long with machine gun towers and maybe a luxury hotel built in

It'll make the Berlin wall look pathetic.

I disagree. HC wasn't elected because they want change agreed but then you have to look at change and it is what he was saying that is change. An invisible wall won't go down well. I reckon his wall is major as Obamacare is or was or ever will be.

**Hugh** · 10-11-2016, 16:54

On the bright side, Katie Hopkins said she would move to the USA if Trump won.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-usa-if-trump/

Raise the average IQ in both countries if she does...

thenry · 10-11-2016, 16:57

Another tele venture for her.

10-11-2016, 17:32

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Another tele venture for her.

Rumour is she is taking over the Apprentice......

nomadking · 10-11-2016, 17:40

While some of Trump's suggested answers may seem extreme, he did at least show that he was concerned about the underlying issues and was prepared to address them. Voters may not believe he will carry out the things literally, but he will do something and not just ignore it.

thenry · 10-11-2016, 18:08

Will the house approve patching or repairing the disconnect?

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Rumour is she is taking over the Apprentice......

Lol

**Damien** · 10-11-2016, 18:37

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Originally Posted by nomadking

While some of Trump's suggested answers may seem extreme, he did at least show that he was concerned about the underlying issues and was prepared to address them. Voters may not believe he will carry out the things literally, but he will do something and not just ignore it.

If he does. He has a Republican congress so no excuses if he doesn't.

**Hugh** · 10-11-2016, 18:41

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Originally Posted by nomadking

While some of Trump's suggested answers may seem extreme, he did at least show that he was concerned about the underlying issues and was prepared to address them. Voters may not believe he will carry out the things literally, but he will do something and not just ignore it.

Were they aspirations, rather than promises?

nomadking · 10-11-2016, 19:09

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If he does. He has a Republican congress so no excuses if he doesn't.

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Were they aspirations, rather than promises?

My point is that the voters didn't care whether he is actually going to carry out a specific policy, only that he does something about those issues. A sort of hyperbole, where you exaggerate something in order to demonstrate your strength of feeling. Clinton's approach was to simply say that there wasn't a problem in the first place and so wasn't going to do anything.

**Hugh** · 10-11-2016, 19:42

I think you may find some of the Tea Party will care very much...

Osem · 10-11-2016, 19:49

I just love the way the media are doing their best to exaggerate all that 'serious unrest' going on over in the US. All this fuss about the huge reaction to Trump's victory and what we actually have is a relatively few thousands on the march amongst a population of 325,000,000 or so? Big deal! When we start talking millions out on the streets protesting against Trump they may have a point but right now the profits of doom seem to have got it wrong again but it's not for the want of trying to find trouble to fill their pages and airtime with.

Likewise, despite our country having quite clearly become a truly hateful and xenophobic place to be, I'm still awaiting the mass exodus of petrified EU migrants and self righteous attention seeking hypocrites to start in the UK. Odd that eh?

**Mick** · 10-11-2016, 20:49

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I just love the way the media is exaggerating all the trouble going on over in the US. All this fuss about the reaction to Trump's victory and we have a relatively few thousands on the march amongst a population of 325,000,000 or so? Big deal! When we start talking millions out on the streets they may have a point but right now the profits of doom seem to have got it wrong again but it's not for the want of trying to find trouble to fill the pages and airtime with.

I also found it staggering how suddenly now that Trump wins the Electoral College Vote, but not the popular vote, there is something suddenly wrong with the whole democratic process in the US. Seen lots and and lots of typical BS regarding this, being spouted on Facebook by those in America who voted for Hillary.

I doubt they would have said the same thing if Hillary won via ECV and Donald won the popular vote.

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Just found this that explains why ECV exists and works...

**Damien** · 10-11-2016, 20:53

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I also found it staggering how suddenly now that Trump wins the Electoral College Vote, but not the popular vote, there is something suddenly wrong with the whole democratic process in the US. Seen lots and and lots of typical BS regarding this, being spouted on Facebook by those in America who voted for Hillary.

I doubt they would have said the same thing if Hillary won via ECV and Donald won the popular vote.

The Electoral College/Popular Vote question isn't new. Many do not like the Electoral college not only because of situations like this but also because it renders so many votes worthless. 40 out of 50 states go offline from the Presidential campaign because they're not contested. It's the safe seat argument on steroids.

The counter-argument you can make to your friends on Facebook is this would be a very different election if it was decided on Popular vote. The campaigns would be different, the messages different and the voters' behaviour would be different.

As for the hypocrisy angle. Yes I imagine they wouldn't be saying it, they would be saying what I just said above. However Clinton didn't mention the popular vote in her concession speech nor Obama in his speech. Given Trump spent half the election saying it was rigged I can't imagine him being quiet had he lost the election but won the popular vote.

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Likewise, despite our country having quite clearly become a truly hateful and xenophobic place to be, I'm still awaiting the mass exodus of petrified EU migrants and self righteous attention seeking hypocrites to start in the UK. Odd that eh?

I think the best people to judge how migrants feel in the UK are the migrants themselves. We're not really the best judges of that. Leaving is a big step to take and people will endure a lot to avoid leaving their homes, jobs and lives as they know it. The fact they haven't left doesn't mean they're not concerned.

pip08456 · 10-11-2016, 21:31

Even Trump knew about the Electoral College vote and he was right. Nevertheless American politics is what it is and he won via that system. Perhaps he now has the balls to change it?

Mr K · 10-11-2016, 21:39

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Even Trump knew about the Electoral College vote and he was right. Nevertheless American politics is what it is and he won via that system. Perhaps he now has the balls to change it?

It isn't that different in this country with the election of MPs. If you're in a constituency where you party is third, your vote is effectively meaningless/wasted. We had a chance to change it in the PR referendum early in the coalition Govt., however the 2 big parties clubbed together to convince us that each persons vote being equal was a terrible idea.