Hamas Israel War

Originally Posted by Paul

What were they [supposedly] protesting about exactly ?
Also, what do they think the protest will actually achieve ?

Israel has diplomatic cover from the United States, which despite its military and economic power is unable to operate entirely alone. Protests in European capitals pressurise European governments to moderate their support, which ultimately makes it more difficult for the USA to continue to support Israel. That’s the theory anyway, though any effects would be subtle and slow-acting.

But even if it had no perceivable diplomatic effect at all, what’s wrong with taking a moral stand? 300,000 people taking an active stand on an issue is surely healthy for a democracy.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

300,000 people taking an active stand on an issue is surely healthy for a democracy.

It is, but if a very large % of those people are actually advocating for the eradication of a state and a people…..that’s when it becomes an issue.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It is, but if a very large % of those people are actually advocating for the eradication of a state and a people…..that’s when it becomes an issue.

Fortunately that's not the case with those marching for a ceasefire. May well be the case for those hard right people trying to reach the Cenotaph.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Israel has diplomatic cover from the United States, which despite its military and economic power is unable to operate entirely alone. Protests in European capitals pressurise European governments to moderate their support, which ultimately makes it more difficult for the USA to continue to support Israel. That’s the theory anyway, though any effects would be subtle and slow-acting.

But even if it had no perceivable diplomatic effect at all, what’s wrong with taking a moral stand? 300,000 people taking an active stand on an issue is surely healthy for a democracy.

Very well put.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

Koalemos?

Confess I had to Google that particular god!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Fortunately that's not the case with those marching for a ceasefire. May well be the case for those hard right people trying to reach the Cenotaph.

Well then, All the protests were “hard right” if you like to phrase it that way.

Unless you think calling for the eradication of Jews is somehow Leftist progessionisn.

[Pierre]

Take a step back and look at we’re talking about.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well then, All the protests were “hard right” if you like to phrase it that way.

Unless you think calling for the eradication of Jews is somehow Leftist progessionisn.

Those calling for the eradication of any race tend to be a tiny minority of extremists. Doubtless a few in the ceasefire march but just that - a tiny minority.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Take a step back and look at we’re talking about.

You appear to be confusing Arabs and Palestinians - there are 465 million Arabs, and 5 million Palestinians

All Palestinians are Arabs - a small percentage of Arabs (slightly over 1%) are Palestinians…

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You appear to be confusing Arabs and Palestinians - there are 465 million Arabs, and 5 million Palestinians

All Palestinians are Arabs - a small percentage of Arabs (slightly over 1%) are Palestinians…

And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Those calling for the eradication of any race tend to be a tiny minority of extremists. Doubtless a few in the ceasefire march but just that - a tiny minority.

Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”

I would say generously 0.5% were chanting that. Reality is likely less, a few hundred.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Take a step back and look at we’re talking about.

What's your point, caller?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”

The problem with such a broad definition of anti-Semitism it removes all meaning and devalues actual, genuine, claims of anti-Semitism.

While the sideshow debate of that chant goes on the poisonous, borderline genocidal, rhetoric of some Israeli ministers goes unnoticed and unchallenged here.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-war...d-nuking-gaza/

It’s a bad day when Benjamin Netanyahu has to tell you to tone it down.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I would say generously 0.5% were chanting that. Reality is likely less, a few hundred.

I can’t respond to that in any serious way.

What's your point, caller?

It’s self evident

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Originally Posted by jfman

The problem with such a broad definition of anti-Semitism it removes all meaning and devalues actual, genuine, claims of anti-Semitism.
.

The problem is very large groups of people shouting anti-Semitic chants is perfectly acceptable nowadays.

There’s no difference between those marching chanting, to people walking with white hoods in 60’s america.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I can’t respond to that in any serious way.



It’s self evident

The problem is very large groups of people shouting anti-Semitic chants is perfectly acceptable nowadays.

There’s no difference between those marching chanting, to people walking with white hoods in 60’s america.

I’d imagine 10,000 dead Palestinians would say otherwise had their voices not been wiped from the face of the earth.

If your own prejudices prevent you from perceiving the difference then that’s up to you.

Originally Posted by Pierre

And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”

Yes, it’s called a mirror…

Most of Hamas support comes from Iran, a non-Arab country.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...-war-rbf38qng6