Hamas Israel War

[Ms NTL]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You’re right, why they’re allowing these far right, marches to go ahead is unbelievable.

Your mate Tommy is doing it. What's the problem?

[Dave42]

cruella got her wish far right causing trouble

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As are you, this can’t be defined in simplistic terms due to its historic nature. Well you can but you would be wrong.

To be clear Hamas’s actions are utterly deplorable, but let’s not for one minute suggest that Israel are innocent in their current or previous actions. Not that their past behaviour justifies Hamas actions (sad that I have to write that but it would appear that unless you explicitly denounce Hamas in every post you somehow support their aims)

Israel’s current objective namely to eradicate Hamas is doomed to fail because all Hamas has to do is to survive to win. Hamas influence and offensive capabilities will certainly be significantly reduced but they won’t be wiped out and you can bet that a percentage of the individuals or families of those who were classed as collateral damage will go on to seek revenge

Everything you’ve said is true, except the bit about me being wrong.

Remember, the Hamas strings are being pulled by Iran and their mission is the same as Hitler’s. “Historic nature” you said.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Everything you’ve said is true, except the bit about me being wrong.

Remember, the Hamas strings are being pulled by Iran and their mission is the same as Hitler’s. “Historic nature” you said.

You’re wrong in the sense of trying to use the only the latest situation as a means to define the entire conflict.

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Can’t wait to see the Home Secretary denounce the actions of the counter protestors who launched missiles at the police and has led to a significant amount of arrests.

More than likely she’ll try to blame it on the actions of a peaceful protest which seems to have had no trouble within it, well, non that I can see reported.

Bit of a misleading headline in the Times today…

Pro-Palestinian march live: Clashes near Cenotaph before London rally

Worded to make it sound like the clashes were involving the Pro-Palestinian marchers, imho

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...-day-0kx7zrtl6

When in fact

Some counter-protesters clashed with police near the Cenotaph amid chants of “England till I die”. There were fears of violence from groups with far-right links.

Tension is high at the entrance to Westminster Bridge, where a group of counter-protesters have just walked up from the Winston Chruchill statue in Parliament Square, chanting and drinking (Hugo Daniel reports).

Police in riot helmets are blocking the entrance to Westminster Bridge, but the protesters are shouting, pushing and throwing cans of beer at them while police are hitting them with batons.

The crowd are singing “England ‘til I die” and “we want our country back” and a red flare has been set off. Meanwhile tourists and passersby are gathering on the pavement to film the clashes on their phones.

Some in the crowd are hiding their faces with scarfs or balaclavas and many are shouting abuse at a line of police.

Just before 11am clashes broke out with police as a large crowd of people, some bearing St George’s and Union flags attempted to reach the Cenotaph,singing football chants including “England ‘til I die”.

Some bottles were thrown at police, with some of the crowd hit with batons.

Harry Briggs, 75, of the Royal Observer Corps, who has come to London for Remembrance weekend for the past 15 years, said it was the largest crowd he had seen at the Cenotaph on November 11.

He said: “I think the police did a very good thing. The crowd of protesters were coming round, the police did a tactical withdrawal and that annoyed them, that the police weren’t going to have a confrontation. Unfortunately some of them were standing on the memorials which we are here to remember. Once 11am was over they faded towards Trafalgar Square probably looking for more antagonism somewhere else.”

A group of protesters were seen walking towards Hyde Park chanting “England till I die”, the Press Association reported.

There were also clashes with police in Chinatown, with protesters reportedly chanting: “You’re not English anymore” towards officers.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Do I agree with pro-Palestine marches?…….no because the current marches are pro-Hamas marches.

I'm afraid I think you've lost touch with reality. If the marches were pro-Hamas then they would be banned in the UK.

[mrmistoffelees]

Sorry but those collective people who were unable to differentiate between a protest being held in the name of of implentimg a ceasefire/stopping the deaths of innocent civilians as opposed to a pro Hamas demonstration gave motive and enabled the acts that we’ve seen today.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm afraid I think you've lost touch with reality. If the marches were pro-Hamas then they would be banned in the UK.

Yes Sherlock, several people have said that, of course they are not officially Pro-Hamas marches. But there are many pro-Hamas and anti-Semitic chants, banners, and slogans.

I’m just calling them what they really are.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes Sherlock, several people have said that, of course they are not officially Pro-Hamas marches. But there are many pro-Hamas and anti-Semitic chants, banners, and slogans.

I’m just calling them what they really are.

29 arrests total at pro Palestinian marches in the U.K. resulting in six charged so far, as opposed to 92 counter protestors arrested just today. A few bad apples in a barrel doesn’t define the motives of the entire series of protests

There seems to be a complete lack of condemnation for the throwing of missiles at the police ?

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The met are searching for two people wearing pro Hamas headbands out of a count of 300,000 pro Palestinian protestors a tiny tiny proportion

[jfman]

The sum total of criminality appears to be two people that might be wearing “Hamas headbands”.

I do enjoy when the far right come out. Gives something for teachers to use as a warning to kids what will happen if they don’t pay attention in class.

[Ms NTL]

Originally Posted by jfman

I do enjoy when the far right come out. Gives something for teachers to use as a warning to kids what will happen if they don’t pay attention in class.

They seemed to be drunk. Several were holding beers....

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

29 arrests total at pro Palestinian marches in the U.K. resulting in six charged so far, as opposed to 92 counter protestors arrested just today. A few bad apples in a barrel doesn’t define the motives of the entire series of protests

There seems to be a complete lack of condemnation for the throwing of missiles at the police ?

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The met are searching for two people wearing pro Hamas headbands out of a count of 300,000 pro Palestinian protestors a tiny tiny proportion

300,000? You all know what I would want to say.

[Ms NTL]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

300,000? You all know what I would want to say.

Torygraph says 300,000

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/#source=refresh

Perhaps, I missed your point.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

Torygraph says 300,000

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/#source=refresh

Perhaps, I missed your point.

The members who got my point are likely to comment.
I really needn't say more.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

300,000? You all know what I would want to say.

Say it then ?