Unstoppable migration?

[figgyburn]

Funny now that most people now say they are from syria.Word quickly gets around that that is nationality to be now.Just another buzzword like asylum,fleeing,persecution.

[Osem]

Therein lies the problem and the genuine refugees won't be happy about it either. We really do have to be far more robust in our efforts to separate the genuine from the economic migrants. If the word that there's an easy way into the EU continues to spread like wildfire there are hundreds of millions of desperately people who have very little reason not to give it a try. I don't see anyone applauding that scenario. Furthermore when the current fever of generosity and understanding inevitably wears off our economies continue to falter and the pressure of services, jobs, wages etc. increases I predict a very significant increase in hostility and resentment. What's the EU's plan for that eventuality I wonder...

I believe that's what accounts, in part, for the refusal of certain gulf states to take refugees, they fear their way of life will be undermined and their society destabilised. Maybe they're right too.

[figgyburn]

I was listening to yvette cooper(lab),nicola sturgeon(snp) and willie rennie(lib dem) at the weekend saying they would be willing to take refugees/migrants into their homes.Now please do not think i am being cynical but what are the chances of this happening?.None,nil,nada,zero,zip.Pure political posturing at the lowest.With their political clout they could make this happen easily.But we know they won't.

[deadite66]

I wonder where they've been for the homeless in this country?, but then that wouldn't give them enough smug satisfaction would it.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by figgyburn

I was listening to yvette cooper(lab),nicola sturgeon(snp) and willie rennie(lib dem) at the weekend saying they would be willing to take refugees/migrants into their homes.Now please do not think i am being cynical but what are the chances of this happening?.None,nil,nada,zero,zip.Pure political posturing at the lowest.With their political clout they could make this happen easily.But we know they won't.

Yes the usual suspects are jumping on the bandwagon knowing full well that they and theirs will not be sharing the burden equally and that the impact of more refugees and economic migrants will be primarily felt by the rest of us. Evidently some of them can't even bear to be treated amongst the rest of us in hospitals FGS...

Given the terrible trauma we're told many have been through and the likelihood of resulting serious psychological problems, I wonder about the wisdom of opening ordinary homes to such people in any event and can't help thinking that the current mood would soon change were there to be a serious incident involving refugees/migrants being so accommodated.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Osem

Just been listening to a BBC reporter confirming the presence of large numbers of young men of numerous nationalities trying to get across the Hungarian border. He spoke to some from Pakistan who freely confirmed their presence there as being in search of jobs in the EU. In the words of the reporter, 'riding on the coat tails' of the trail of refugees. I wonder if anyone will be applauding their arrival in town?

I'm amazed the BBC reported that!

[nomadking]

Isn't it actually the other way around? It is the illegal immigrants from Pakistan etc, that established the routes. Any refugees are just using those. The methods and routes were there long before the refugees.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Isn't it actually the other way around? It is the illegal immigrants from Pakistan etc, that established the routes. Any refugees are just using those. The methods and routes were there long before the refugees.

Yes it is but in the past it was much more evident who were economic migrants and who weren't. Now the overall numbers are such that the system is swamped, providing an ideal opportunity for yet more economic migrants to take advantage of the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm amazed the BBC reported that!

So was I, hence my mentioning of it.

Wonder if he's been sent for BBC brain training yet...

[Jimmy-J]

Britain is to resettle up to 20,000 refugees from Syria over the next four and a half years.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

Britain is to resettle up to 20,000 refugees from Syria over the next four and a half years.

and what will the real number be once they bring all their extended family over here?

[Osem]

Whatever the real number, it'll be miniscule compared the all the other inwards migration to these shores. Right now we have no effective control over such trivial matters as the numbers of people choosing to come here for whatever reason.

According to Sky News they will be given 5 year visas but does anyone really think that after 5 years many of them will return? I don't.

Meantime:

Germany will be 'changed' by their handling of this problem and elsewhere:

◾Greece has requested emergency EU assistance to deal with migrants arriving from Turkey
◾Spanish media say police fired rubber bullets at migrants in a detention centre in Valencia after about 50 tried to escape
◾Police in Macedonia scuffled with thousands of migrants trying to cross into the country from Greece
◾Hundreds of migrants are in a stand-off with Hungarian police on the border with Serbia. BBC News producer Imelda Flattery is tweeting from the scene
◾UN chief Ban Ki-moon, in an interview with the Guardian, said the UN Security Council was failing Syria because it was divided on the issue

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34173720

[Osem]

Well Juncker's revealed his qualifications for being President of the European Commission - he's a much in denial about the realities of sustaining and coping with this level of migration as he is about the wisdom the single European currency and a single state. They're going to set quotas yet have no mechanism (or even any intention it seems) to prevent the migrants continuing to do what they've already done which is to choose where they want to go. In their eagerness to occupy the moral high ground nobody seems to be wanting to focus on the unpalatable reality of what's going to happen when the numbers continue to increase any more than they want to face what's going to happen about Greek debt.

Now there's an uproar about Hungary's actions (and even calls for them to be leave the EU) but remind us who admitted them into the club, it'd be the same blinkered idiots who admitted the Greeks into the Euro wouldn't it? It seems to me that in expanding East as keenly as it has, the EU has caused itself the very same problems on a national level which we're seeing on a human level.

[Jimmy-J]

When all these migrants become EU citizens, I wonder how many will flow to the UK?

[Osem]

Well I can't see any way of stopping them going anywhere they want to.

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has announced plans that he says will offer a "swift, determined and comprehensive" response to Europe's migrant crisis.

Anyway it's comforting to know that, several years after it began, the EU is now formulating a swift response" to this major problem. I doubt whether it'll prove to be determined, comprehensive or effective though...

[Osem]

More European unity:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34203366

Denmark has suspended all rail links with Germany after police stopped hundreds of migrants at the border.

Danish police also closed a motorway between the two countries when some asylum seekers began walking north after being forced off a train.

They say their destination is Sweden.

As the EU struggles with a major migrant crisis, the European Commission has proposed that 120,000 additional asylum seekers should be shared out between members, using binding quotas.

Denmark's DSB rail operator said trains to and from Germany had been suspended for an indefinite period because of exceptional passport checks.