07-01-2016, 21:40
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Why make it more complicated than it is, he IS an unelectable idiot, but don't take my word for it, lets wait another 4 years and see it happen.
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07-01-2016, 21:53
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Wow ... I've seen some deluded posts on this forum over the years but that takes some beating.
There was no "ground swell of public opinion" behind the election of Jeremy Corbyn. As has been repeatedly posted in this thread today, those that elected him amount to less than 3% of the British electorate.
This massive, collective self-deception amongst the Corbynistas over how popular (or otherwise) he really is, is really going to sting come the 2020 election.
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No leader of any political party has been elected with such a large majority. That is indicative of a groundswell amongst those who have held back from voting at all because of Labour's previous Tory-lite policies. People joined the party to vote for him and have continued join in droves since. Despite all the negative media campaign and anti-democratic back stabbing in his party Labour still won the Oldham by-election, and with an increased share of the vote.
Gradually, sticking to his matter-of-fact non-hysterical style and his decency, he is winning ordinary people over, despite the massive misrepresentation, which you have clearly fallen victim to.
You could be right about 2020, but not for the reasons you give. The media and the right will stop at nothing to discredit JC and his policies. The last thing they want to return to is a mixed economy and the use of investment to promote growth. Austerity has been their main tool for shrinking the state, not for rescuing the economy. They know full well, and this is the big lie, that high immigration has rescued the economy. The rhetoric has been to cut immigration, but the policy has been to maintain it. This is the lie that helped them beat Miliband and which they will use in the run up to 2020.
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07-01-2016, 23:06
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
I find it amusing that the Corbyn supporters say the sacked Shadow Cabinet members deserve what happened because they were disloyal to Jeremy Corbyn (the man who voted against the Labour Leadership over 500 times).
Obviously irony is not their strong point...
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07-01-2016, 23:22
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by Hugh
I find it amusing that the Corbyn supporters say the sacked Shadow Cabinet members deserve what happened because they were disloyal to Jeremy Corbyn (the man who voted against the Labour Leadership over 500 times).
Obviously irony is not their strong point...
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Agreed, this is poetic Labour are rapidly becoming a non-entity. Dave must think he is dreaming ..
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08-01-2016, 02:09
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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No leader of any political party has been elected with such a large majority. That is indicative of a groundswell amongst those who have held back from voting at all because of Labour's previous Tory-lite policies. People joined the party to vote for him and have continued join in droves since. Despite all the negative media campaign and anti-democratic back stabbing in his party Labour still won the Oldham by-election, and with an increased share of the vote.
Gradually, sticking to his matter-of-fact non-hysterical style and his decency, he is winning ordinary people over, despite the massive misrepresentation, which you have clearly fallen victim to.
You could be right about 2020, but not for the reasons you give. The media and the right will stop at nothing to discredit JC and his policies. The last thing they want to return to is a mixed economy and the use of investment to promote growth. Austerity has been their main tool for shrinking the state, not for rescuing the economy. They know full well, and this is the big lie, that high immigration has rescued the economy. The rhetoric has been to cut immigration, but the policy has been to maintain it. This is the lie that helped them beat Miliband and which they will use in the run up to 2020.
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If there was another leadership election tomorrow corbyn would walk it, according to some presumably due to all those tory voters with nothing better to spend three quid on. It makes me lol that the press barons are pulling what little hair they have left out over this man, they couldn't wait to run the presses that oldham had been lost, Toby young was tweeting all week that they'd lost it and then attempted to paint the victory with an increased share as a disaster. They must be wondering what they have to do to get rid of him, all but wall to wall smears have done nothing but increase his popularity.
I like him and might well change the habit of a lifetime and vote Labour because of him.
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08-01-2016, 07:49
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Kerfulle defn. - a commotion or fuss, especially one caused by conflicting views.
There's no kerfuffle within the Labour party regarding the reshuffle??
Course not...
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08-01-2016, 08:36
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Well argued. Glad to see our education system is producing such wonderful debating skills.
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Well it did produce Corbyn who seems incapable of learning the lessons of recent history
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I find it amusing that the Corbyn supporters say the sacked Shadow Cabinet members deserve what happened because they were disloyal to Jeremy Corbyn (the man who voted against the Labour Leadership over 500 times).
Obviously irony is not their strong point...
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He is true to type.
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08-01-2016, 08:41
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Kerfulle defn. - a commotion or fuss, especially one caused by conflicting views.
There's no kerfuffle within the Labour party regarding the reshuffle??
Course not...
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There's a kerfuffle amongst a narrow clique of mp's only worried about their own careers and refusing to accept things have changed. The 99.9% that is the rest of the party seem to be glad to be shot of them.
And there is of course no 'kerfuffle' in the Tory party over Europe
Interesting word 'kerfuffle', Scottish origin....
http://www.word-detective.com/2009/04/kerfuffle/
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08-01-2016, 08:48
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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There's a kerfuffle amongst a narrow clique of mp's only worried about their own careers and refusing to accept things have changed. The 99.9% that is the rest of the party seem to be glad to be shot of them.
And there is of course no 'kerfuffle' in the Tory party over Europe
Interesting word 'kerfuffle', Scottish origin....
http://www.word-detective.com/2009/04/kerfuffle/
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There is certainly, so Feel free to start a thread on it eh. Or perhaps just have a look at the EU referendum thread...
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Well it did produce Corbyn who seems incapable of learning the lessons of recent history
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He is true to type.
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Corbyn's learned no lessons at all it seems to me. He's behaving the same as he always did and as far as I can see believes in the same failed policy. Hypocrisy and ineptitude have always been rife within the Labour party. Watching Corbyn and his loony cohorts perform is like going back in time.
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08-01-2016, 09:05
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Watching Corbyn and his loony cohorts perform is like going back in time.
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08-01-2016, 11:17
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08-01-2016, 11:31
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
From Osem's link:
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And in sacking Michael Dugher and Pat McFadden, two of Labour's canniest political operators are on the backbenches with more time to spare.
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08-01-2016, 12:20
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by roughbeast
No leader of any political party has been elected with such a large majority. That is indicative of a groundswell amongst those who have held back from voting at all because of Labour's previous Tory-lite policies. People joined the party to vote for him and have continued join in droves since. Despite all the negative media campaign and anti-democratic back stabbing in his party Labour still won the Oldham by-election, and with an increased share of the vote.
Gradually, sticking to his matter-of-fact non-hysterical style and his decency, he is winning ordinary people over, despite the massive misrepresentation, which you have clearly fallen victim to.
You could be right about 2020, but not for the reasons you give. The media and the right will stop at nothing to discredit JC and his policies. The last thing they want to return to is a mixed economy and the use of investment to promote growth. Austerity has been their main tool for shrinking the state, not for rescuing the economy. They know full well, and this is the big lie, that high immigration has rescued the economy. The rhetoric has been to cut immigration, but the policy has been to maintain it. This is the lie that helped them beat Miliband and which they will use in the run up to 2020.
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This is nonsense on stilts.
In the real world, the impact Jeremy Corbyn is having even amongst those who voted Labour last May (and remember, there weren't even enough of them to win the election), is laid bare in approval polling by Yougov, discussed here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...my-Corbyn.html
Cameron's net approval amongst those who voted Tory in May is around double Corbyn's, in percentage point terms. And Cameron, unlike Labour, secured sufficient votes to win that election.
It does not take a genius to work out the trajectory Labour is now on, and will remain on unless something pretty fundamental changes between now and the next election (fundamental being, for example, Labour ditching Corbyn for a leader with appeal to the nation, as opposed to the hard-left insurgency that has been infiltrating the party over the last 6 months).
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08-01-2016, 13:02
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Corbynites are nuts. At the moment they're outraged because the BBC managed to get one of the MPs to resign on the Daily Politics, it appears Kuenssberg heard of his impending resignation and got him to do it on their show.
This is normal considered a 'scoop' but actually it's a gross injustice from the BBC it seems. The BBC is now conspiring with the right-wing Labourites to damage Corbyn and so his loyal army has mobilized and done what they do best. A change.org petition: https://www.change.org/p/bbc-we-dema...berg-be-sacked
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08-01-2016, 13:12
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Aye right ... because the BBC would in no way have pulled exactly the same stunt had it been a Tory MP.
The odd thing is, from here in Scotlandshire the behaviour of the Corbynites looks like it's exhibiting much of the same fevered paranoia and baseless triumphalism of the 2014 Yessers. The lesson from history is that it will all end in tears.
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