DJ David Lowe loses job over racist word

He should have played "Mad World".

You couldnt make stupidity like this up.

As far as I'm concerned the n word is not something anyone can be offended by now it has widespread use within the community that once opposed it. I am sick and tired of thin skinned people and the rush to be offended brigade constantly trying to enforce their ridiculous PC attitudes onto everyone. Another oldie they may want to remember "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me" I've been on the end of plenty of abuse in my life I never made a big deal of any of it because it's life for gods sake grow up and grow a thicker skin.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Bogof

Well according to the BBC today the Church of England is racist. Yeah that's right everyone in the C of E is racist LMAO. Only the BBC hey.

If the word England wasn't in the name they wouldn't have said such a thing. How stupid do you have to be to brand a whole "church" as racist lol. I'm sure there may well be racist members, just like there maybe racists within Islam but no way can you brand the whole thing racist.

Out of 2 archbishops 1 is black An 1 is white, Jesus Christ isn't even white. Good old BBC

he was when he was on the telly at Easter

It's all about context - if someone says it meaning to offend (even if they pretend they are not, using the excuse "but "they" all say it!), it's obviously inappropriate.

But in the two cases mentioned here, it wasn't said (Clarkson was reading aloud a story, came across the word, quickly realised he shouldn't say it in a recording, and mumbled something so he wasn't saying the word), and in the other case, is a DJ supposed to check every record - stupidity abounds...

btw, if people want to see if the word is offensive (and try the excuse "but "they" say it"), try travelling to Chapeltown in Leeds (or any similar area in other towns/cities), walk up to a local member of the Afro-Caribbean community, and call that person that word, and see the response....

I have discussed this with my daughter's partner and his family (who are Afro-Caribbean), and whilst they think that people shouldn't get offended on their behalf, 999 times out of a 1000 when the word is used to them by a white person, it is to be insulting and derogatory.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I have discussed this with my daughter's partner and his family (who are Afro-Caribbean)

Cool. a black dude in the family. you get to hear the good reggae and vibes when he pops round in his BMW?

and whilst they think that people shouldn't get offended on their behalf, 999 times out of a 1000 when the word is used to them by a white person, it is to be insulting and derogatory.

Of course it is. but nobody is really disputing that. and nobody is saying that we should be able to say the word simply because "they do"

but it doesn't help when they do use the word freely amongst each other.

but like you said. it's about the context in how it is used.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hugh

btw, if people want to see if the word is offensive (and try the excuse "but "they" say it"), try travelling to Chapeltown in Leeds (or any similar area in other towns/cities), walk up to a local member of the Afro-Caribbean community, and call that person that word, and see the response....

I like being alive so I'll pass on that one thank you Hugh

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Hugh

btw, if people want to see if the word is offensive (and try the excuse "but "they" say it"), try travelling to Chapeltown in Leeds (or any similar area in other towns/cities), walk up to a local member of the Afro-Caribbean community, and call that person that word, and see the response....

Do it dressed in a Bob Marley t-shirt, your hair in dreadlocks, look stoned and put "yo" before the word and say "whats up" after and no offence will be taken. As you say, context plays a big part, it's not the actual word.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It's all about context - if someone says it meaning to offend (even if they pretend they are not, using the excuse "but "they" all say it!), it's obviously inappropriate.

But in the two cases mentioned here, it wasn't said (Clarkson was reading aloud a story, came across the word, quickly realised he shouldn't say it in a recording, and mumbled something so he wasn't saying the word), and in the other case, is a DJ supposed to check every record - stupidity abounds...

It is all about context, as you say. For instance, amongst my friends, there are a few in jokes that taken out of context could be considered offensive. There are certainly a few that if others used them, we would consider offensive.. But, when we use them amongst each other, we know they are not meant offensively.

Regarding David Lowe. Maybe he should know what words are in the song, but should the record even be in the library? Should he be fired for playing an old song that happened to include an offensive word? At worst, he should have been allowed to apologise. He shouldn't have been fired.

But, the BBC seems terrified of causing offence, and there are areas of the media that will use any excuse to attack the BBC. I'm thinking mainly of the Daily and Sunday Mail, and also the various Murdoch rags and TV stations. This is why this has carried on..

They made an interesting point on the Now Show on Monday.. The Mirror apparently had adverts on the page where they had the Jeremy Clarkson video. So, how much did they profit from the N word? I personally find that worse than saying it by mistake.

Also, there is the psychological aspect. They told us he'd said the N word. How many of us would have spotted it without being told it was there?

btw, if people want to see if the word is offensive (and try the excuse "but "they" say it"), try travelling to Chapeltown in Leeds (or any similar area in other towns/cities), walk up to a local member of the Afro-Caribbean community, and call that person that word, and see the response....

I have discussed this with my daughter's partner and his family (who are Afro-Caribbean), and whilst they think that people shouldn't get offended on their behalf, 999 times out of a 1000 when the word is used to them by a white person, it is to be insulting and derogatory.

No thanks..

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It's all about context - if someone says it meaning to offend (even if they pretend they are not, using the excuse "but "they" all say it!), it's obviously inappropriate.

But in the two cases mentioned here, it wasn't said (Clarkson was reading aloud a story, came across the word, quickly realised he shouldn't say it in a recording, and mumbled something so he wasn't saying the word), and in the other case, is a DJ supposed to check every record - stupidity abounds...

btw, if people want to see if the word is offensive (and try the excuse "but "they" say it"), try travelling to Chapeltown in Leeds (or any similar area in other towns/cities), walk up to a local member of the Afro-Caribbean community, and call that person that word, and see the response....

I have discussed this with my daughter's partner and his family (who are Afro-Caribbean), and whilst they think that people shouldn't get offended on their behalf, 999 times out of a 1000 when the word is used to them by a white person, it is to be insulting and derogatory.

Sometime last year I arrived at my partners house and three of her black male relatives were sat in the living room. They were all fairly big guys, the heaviest being around 20 stone and the smallest a few stone heavier than me.

One said 'Do you ever use the word n*****?'

To this I replied 'Not when I'm here I don't'

They all had a good loud laugh, I never found out why they asked the question.

Being a minority when I'm at her place, I'm often referred to as the 'Honky' or 'The Big White Chief'. It's strange that I never get offended, but now I have made it public I guess someone could come along and be offended on my behalf.

Originally Posted by Escapee

Being a minority when I'm at her place, I'm often referred to as the 'Honky' or 'The Big White Chief'. It's strange that I never get offended, but now I have made it public I guess someone could come along and be offended on my behalf.

It's the historical association of the word and it's oftentimes intended usage that makes it offensive, rather than the word itself, if you get what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

It is all about context, as you say. For instance, amongst my friends, there are a few in jokes that taken out of context could be considered offensive. There are certainly a few that if others used them, we would consider offensive.. But, when we use them amongst each other, we know they are not meant offensively.

Exactly. I am sure everyone on here has things they don't mind their friends saying but feel otherwise if it were someone else.