100M : The Pirate Bay is blocked

[danielf]

Originally Posted by AdamD

Always wondered how the RIAA etc got away with claiming such figures.

I often wonder about radios, I mean, if I hear a song on a radio and record it, why or how is that any different to downloading it?

Do the record companies lose money by me recording a song from the radio? Doubtful

Given that radio is broadcast across the whole of the UK, that must mean milllllllllllions of pounds are being lost for every song, because potentially, everyone can "download" (record) it and never have to buy the CD!

(Yes I know they cut off the start/ending, but you can still get most of the song!)

Artists get paid for songs played on the radio.

[AdamD]

Originally Posted by danielf

Artists get paid for songs played on the radio.

Right, so if it's been broadcast to every corner of the UK, but people in the UK are also sharing it via bittorrent, why is that illegal?

Originally Posted by AdamD

Right, so if it's been broadcast to every corner of the UK, but people in the UK are also sharing it via bittorrent, why is that illegal?

because the artist is supposed to get paid every time the song is used,people can only listen to the song if it has been paid for by someone or some company

[Skie]

Originally Posted by danielf

Artists get paid for songs played on the radio.

Most artists will tell you they get very little from these collections agencies. Most of the money just gets funnelled into the industries coffers. And have you seen how much they wanted for internet streaming?

[lowei]

www.virginmedia.com having DDOS problems because of the pirate bay block,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17998113

[vmfriend]

Originally Posted by _wtf_

None, but it's impossible to do that because of the nature of P2P filesharing. You join a swarm and start uploading as well as downloading.




Nope, downloading copyrighted files found on TPB would get you a civil court case if caught but as mentioned several times there's a lot of files on TPB that are not copyrighted. P2P filesharing has many uses. How about 37GB of free music or maybe you want to watch a movie for free. (Note to mods these are links to noncopyrighted material)

So if you are downloading the free stuff why the requirement for a VPN ? To avoid traffic shaping/management ?

Originally Posted by Skie

Most artists will tell you they get very little from these collections agencies. Most of the money just gets funnelled into the industries coffers. And have you seen how much they wanted for internet streaming?

Any evidence to back that statement up "most of the money", since PRS a non-profit organisation?

From the UK Performing Arts website

PRS members' earnings are dependent upon how many times licences have been granted for their material. For three minutes of airplay on a British national radio station, the PRS will pay in the region of £50. Payments for airplay on smaller or local radio stations will be less. Although the PRS has paid the £50 sum, often it does not all go to the person who wrote the song. Much depends on what arrangement they have with their music publisher, if they have one. If the arrangement is a 50/50 split of PRS payments, they get 50 per cent of £50. If it is a 60/40 split, the songwriter or composer would get 60 per cent, and so on. Not all songwriters or composers have music publishers though, and would receive the full PRS payment.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

However is it ok to massage figures to get dodgy laws passed, eg. claiming every download is a lost sale, meaning someone on the dole who has downloaded £1000 woth of content in a week would have obviously otherwise brought that £1000 of content out of their dole?

Of course, if this hypothetical unemployed person didn't have the opportunity to get this content for free, and could not afford to buy it, they would have to do without. Therefore, yes, they are "lost" sales.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Of course, if this hypothetical unemployed person didn't have the opportunity to get this content for free, and could not afford to buy it, they would have to do without. Therefore, yes, they are "lost" sales.

Errm, no. There wouldn't be a sale if the person couldn't download it for free, so there is no 'lost' sale.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by AdamD

I often wonder about radios, I mean, if I hear a song on a radio and record it, why or how is that any different to downloading it?

Downloading it gives you a perfect copy. Recording it off the radio you may not even get the intro or ending.

Do the record companies lose money by me recording a song from the radio? Doubtful

If you keep if forever instead of buying it then the answer is, of course, yes.

Given that radio is broadcast across the whole of the UK, that must mean milllllllllllions of pounds are being lost for every song, because potentially, everyone can "download" (record) it and never have to buy the CD!

You may jest but yes, that is correct.

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Originally Posted by danielf

Errm, no. There wouldn't be a sale if the person couldn't download it for free, so there is no 'lost' sale.

Which is missing the point. If they could not download it they would have to buy it. Or are you trying to claim that people download and watch stuff they wouldn't want to buy?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Which is missing the point. If they could not download it they would have to buy it. Or are you trying to claim that people download and watch stuff they wouldn't want to buy?

Chrysalis's point was that there are people who can't afford to buy content. So, they would never have bought what they might download. Therefore it's not a lost sale. If they couldn't download it, they'd go without it.

Obviously, there is also the fact that people download stuff in order to see if they like it (and might buy it if they do), but decide it's pants. Either way, it's fallacious to claim every download is a lost sale.

[qasdfdsaq]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=downloads+lost+sales

Pretty much every result on the first page contradicts the assertion downloads = lost sales.

[Skie]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Any evidence to back that statement up "most of the money", since PRS a non-profit organisation?

From the UK Performing Arts website

PRS are one of the better groups, but I doubt they are perfect (especially when they are busy bullying garages into purchasing a license for a radio that may be overheard by customers).

But the american ones are much seedier: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ck-stars.shtml

We do seem to have wandered away from the topic.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by danielf

Chrysalis's point was that there are people who can't afford to buy content.

Then that's that. Can't afford it? Tough. It's no excuse. As an unemployed person, that's the motto I have to live by. Perhaps if others did too they wouldn't be in such a financial mess. (But that's a whole different thread )

(Though I do have a one-year free LOVEFILM subscription courtesy of something I bought recently )