U.S Election 2016

[Ramrod]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

[Arthurgray50@blu]

A point has been raised about Clinton, she has been vetted loads of times. Especially as First Lady. etc etc.

What we have here is a politician, that is vastly experience in the field - yes, Trump etc is nothing but a businessman.

Trump cannot run the States, it will lead to major problems. He has started already, he is not there yet.

Someone also mentioned about all these women that has come forward, and the election is very soon.

Not changing the subject. A major newspaper caught Sam Ally Dyce in a scam. Look what happened to him.

If there are any serious problems with Clinton. I am certain The FBI would have done the right thing and arrested Clinton - But they didn't.

Trump is all mouth. And it would not surprise, that if Trump won. Someone will try and assonate him.

Trying to work out if this is a form of verse or something.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

Infowars.

Alex Jones.

Who believes there is a 'global Stasi Borg state'

Who thinks the shooting of a US Representative in Tucson was 'was a staged mind-control operation. The government employs geometric psychological-warfare experts that know exactly how to indirectly manipulate unstable people through the media. They implanted the idea in his head by repeatedly asking, 'Is Giffords in danger?'"'

Who thinks the Gates Foundation is "Obviously a eugenics operation."

Who says ""Government-lab-produced airborne Ebola? It's comin' your way! Enjoy it, yuppies!"

Wibble.

I didn't realise it was Alex Jones! The guy is amazing. He was a big 9/11 truther 10 or so years ago but recently he's becoming more famous. He has actually an influence on Trump apparently. This guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNeg9D-EZ4

He was also in a book called 'Them' by Jon Ronson who met a lot of these characters a while back. Ronson has revisited that in the context of the latest campaign: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elephant-Ro.../dp/B01LXOO7UQ

worth a read.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

A point has been raised about Clinton, she has been vetted loads of times. Especially as First Lady. etc etc.

What we have here is a politician, that is vastly experience in the field - yes, Trump etc is nothing but a businessman.

Trump cannot run the States, it will lead to major problems. He has started already, he is not there yet.

Someone also mentioned about all these women that has come forward, and the election is very soon.

Not changing the subject. A major newspaper caught Sam Ally Dyce in a scam. Look what happened to him.

If there are any serious problems with Clinton. I am certain The FBI would have done the right thing and arrested Clinton - But they didn't.

Trump is all mouth. And it would not surprise, that if Trump won. Someone will try and assonate him.

This post literally broke the thread. Not sure whether I died at Ally Dyce or the bit where Trump gets assonated.

You raise Valid points but you fail to realise we don't live in Utopia, you'd be horrified to know the FBI aren't the definition of perfection and it's entirely possible to botch investigations, the entire reason people keep bringing it up is because it stinks of being botched. It's no use talking about how we'd know... How many of us knew the Americans were planning terrorist attacks on their own soil before they told us themselves they were? None bar unverifiable conspiracy at the time. So in reality you're not certain of anything, you're just certain of what you've been told by sources, like every other American Citizen that'll find out what their country has really been doing in another 50 years time. To break this down again.

FBI order Clinton to hand over X amount of emails > Far less than X turn up > Two vital witnesses are given immunity, sketchy when they appear to have offered absolutely nothing to warrant it > Closed.

Later, key witness Paul Combetta is found to have requested help in deleting emails that were requested by the FBI, a federal offence he can't be charged for because of the immunity deal. He implicates someone but now can't be questioned on who, naturally people assume Clinton to be that VIP someone that ordered the deletion and tampering of emails, again under investigation thus committing a federal offence for both the person who ordered it and the person who carried it out. Because Combetta is under no obligation to provide the name, nothing can be done.

Now when you see Trump followers making remarks about Clinton having the FBI sat in her pocket, you have a good idea why.

I didn't realise it was Alex Jones! The guy is amazing. He was a big 9/11 truther 10 or so years ago but recently he's becoming more famous. He has actually an influence on Trump apparently. This guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNeg9D-EZ4

Lol, but I don't get what he's talking about!? What's the summary behind his emotionally mad rant?

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

A point has been raised about Clinton, she has been vetted loads of times. Especially as First Lady. etc etc.

Vetted by whom?

What we have here is a politician, that is vastly experience in the field - yes, Trump etc is nothing but a businessman.

You don't live in America Arthur, everything you say about stuff here is on a emotional whim, so what makes you the expert on US Affairs ?

Trump cannot run the States, it will lead to major problems. He has started already, he is not there yet.

He has started already? Really? Did I miss him taking the Oath of office ?

Someone also mentioned about all these women that has come forward, and the election is very soon.

Yep, think that was me.

Not changing the subject. A major newspaper caught Sam Ally Dyce in a scam. Look what happened to him.

I think you're a little off course with this analogy, one was a England Manager, other is a US Candidate for Presidency 2016. US elections always stump up the BS stories, it's just that this Election has kicked off big style.

If there are any serious problems with Clinton. I am certain The FBI would have done the right thing and arrested Clinton - But they didn't.

That's probably because they couldn't trace 33,000 deleted emails. Perhaps they should have contacted Wikileaks for assistance ?

Alex jones is a prat i ended up at one of his videos on youtube claiming to show clinton giving birth to aliens and there were people taking it seriously he's a tinfoil hat nutjob and i was looking for videos on the q class ecig gotta love youtube. I don't like clinton or what she stands for but some of the trash getting thrown at her is bordering on insane and having the opposite affect then i think is intended in making her look more like a victim and therefore getting more sympathy then she deserves.

Originally Posted by Mick

Vetted by whom?

She's been in the public eye for 20 years. People have been digging for dirt on the Clintons for longer than that. They've found some but it's hard to keep finding them.

Trump on the other hand is only now seeing that kind of attention.

Also theoretically she would have been properly vetted on assuming the role of Secretary of State.

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Originally Posted by Mick

That's probably because they couldn't trace 33,000 deleted emails. Perhaps they should have contacted Wikileaks for assistance ?

Well already might have: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...-russia-229821

Which considering the FBI are treating this as a criminal hack committed by a foreign state isn't the wisest move.

It's strange there isn't the same focus on the 22 million emails lost by the Bush Pesidency from a private server..

http://europe.newsweek.com/george-w-...s-497373?rm=eu

Clinton’s email habits look positively transparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration. Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America’s recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons.

Like Clinton, the Bush White House used a private email server—its was owned by the Republican National Committee. And the Bush administration failed to store its emails, as required by law, and then refused to comply with a congressional subpoena seeking some of those emails. “It’s about as amazing a double standard as you can get,” says Eric Boehlert, who works with the pro-Clinton group Media Matters. “If you look at the Bush emails, he was a sitting president, and 95 percent of his chief advisers’ emails were on a private email system set up by the RNC. Imagine if for the last year and a half we had been talking about Hillary Clinton’s emails set up on a private DNC server?”

Most troubling, researchers found a suspicious pattern in the White House email system blackouts, including periods when there were no emails available from the office of Vice President Dick Cheney. “That the vice president’s office, widely characterized as the most powerful vice president in history, should have no archived emails in its accounts for scores of days—especially days when there was discussion of whether to invade Iraq—beggared the imagination,” says Thomas Blanton, director of the Washington-based National Security Archive. The NSA (not to be confused with the National Security Agency, the federal surveillance organization) is a nonprofit devoted to obtaining and declassifying national security documents and is one of the key players in the effort to recover the supposedly lost Bush White House emails.

Originally Posted by Damien

She's been in the public eye for 20 years. People have been digging for dirt on the Clintons for longer than that. They've found some but it's hard to keep finding them.

Trump on the other hand is only now seeing that kind of attention.

Also theoretically she would have been properly vetted on assuming the role of Secretary of State.[COLOR="Silver"]

Come off it Damien, she has told bare face lies to the Benghazi victims mothers. She has lied about her emails. A fairly large percentage of the American people are struggling to comprehend just how much of a bare faced liar Hillary Clinton is.

Below is a CNN news clip of a news anchor speaking to one of the mothers of a Benghazi victim....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2_ERVD7_Ys

Benghazi was terrible, with four lives lost, but the funding for security was cut by the Republicans in Congress/Senate, and what about the 20 attacks on US embassies and the 87 lives lost under George W Bush. There haven't been multiple enquiries into these...

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...and-60/2179435

On MSNBC's The Ed Show, Rep. John Garamendi, D-Calif., said that "during the George W. Bush period, there were 13 attacks on various embassies and consulates around the world. Sixty people died."

On the numbers, Garamendi's actually understating the case.

Using the Global Terrorism Database and a news account that Garamendi's staff said was the source of his claim, we identified 39 attacks or attempted attacks on U.S. embassies and embassy personnel.

Of these 39 incidents, 20 resulted in at least one fatality.

Garamendi also understated the number of deaths. In the 20 incidents with at least one fatality, the total death toll was 87 — quite a few more than the 60 Garamendi cited.

There appears to be a one-sided focus on this, imho...

[Taf]

If I make a positive comment about either, I would be seen as a fan. If I make a negative comment about either, I would be seen as a supporter of the other.

But I can't think of anything positive about either of them, and I just think they are both total jokes.

But one of them is going to elected unless there is a revolt in USA politics.

Originally Posted by Mick

Come off it Damien, she has told bare face lies to the Benghazi victims mothers. She has lied about her emails. A fairly large percentage of the American people are struggling to comprehend just how much of a bare faced liar Hillary Clinton is.

Below is a CNN news clip of a news anchor speaking to one of the mothers of a Benghazi victim....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2_ERVD7_Ys

All of those have been looked into as well though and didn't find anything massively disqualifying. The Benghazi investigation was led by House Republicans and it said they should have beefed up security but nothing else. Which is what I mean by the fact something else will need to come out.

I don't think Clinton is a good candidate either but the Republicans did put Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush up against her, they've put up Donald Trump. And if lying alone was the issue then Trump lies on a daily basis and not even 'political' lies but outright lies that contradict what he is on record as saying.

I don't believe anyone can legitimately vote for Trump because Clinton is a liar without it being a massive contradiction. The difference is in addition to that Trump is a racist, misogynistic lunatic who goes off on crazy rants.

I wonder how many more red flags Trump needs to flag at this point. In addition to his comments about women, minorities, his suggestion the election will be rigged he is also saying Clinton will be jailed and the media will be handled. We're talking about a Erdoğan figure here, a Berlusconi, but that appeals to people and the best defence I have heard of that is that he'll be physically stopped by the checks the US has.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

Trying to work out if this is a form of verse or something.

ROFL