Football : Season 2011/12

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Damien

Ferdinand had informed his club that they wouldn't shake hands and other players would join him. QPR and Chelsea told the FA who decided to skip the handshake. Suarez and Liverpool said today would go fine and Evra and United said so too, Evra was willing to shake hands but was snubbed.

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I can't believe Liverpool continue to attempt to act the victim. Daglish telling the Sky reporter than he was out of order to blame Suarez is insane.

It bewilders me how Suarez can be defended in any way after his actions and most shockingly from someone as highly rated as Kenny Dalglish... or was, He's gone way down in my books lately.

Fergie told it how it is today and said it damn good. Someone as Ignorant and arrogant as Luis Suarez should not be playing at the top level, He does not deserve it one bit. I feel sorry for you genuine Liverpool fans because Suarez and Liverpool are making you look extremely bad at the minute and It's not fair that Liverpool fans are now being subject to taunts and criticism from Rival supporters etc. Solely because of a few idiots.

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

It bewilders me how Suarez can be defended in any way after his actions and most shockingly from someone as highly rated as Kenny Dalglish... or was, He's gone way down in my books lately.

Fergie told it how it is today and said it damn good. Someone as Ignorant and arrogant as Luis Suarez should not be playing at the top level, He does not deserve it one bit. I feel sorry for you genuine Liverpool fans because Suarez and Liverpool are making you look extremely bad at the minute and It's not fair that Liverpool fans are now being subject to taunts and criticism from Rival supporters etc. Solely because of a few idiots.

Also, I think Daglish needs to take a look at himself, he seems more focused on the rivalry rather than the matter in question itself.

[Uncle Peter]

What's most disappointing is that there really was nothing to see.... Had a liar (abused 10 times?) accused me of being a racist I wouldn't a shake their hand either. Also, Ferguson needs to look a bit closer to home before he casts his judgement on other teams players.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

What's most disappointing is that there really was nothing to see.... Had a liar (abused 10 times?) accused me of being a racist I wouldn't a shake their hand either. Also, Ferguson needs to look a bit closer to home before he casts his judgement on other teams players.

A liar? So Suarez missed the last 8 games for nothing and never thought to launch an appeal.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Suarez was a disgrace.

Why 'coz he didn't shake the hand of some he doesn't like, big deal, I wouldn't have shaken it either, they want to make these phoney gestures before games expect trouble because that's all they cause no one reported on how well the handshaking went at all the other weekend games did they.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Why 'coz he didn't shake the hand of some he doesn't like, big deal, I wouldn't have shaken it either, they want to make these phoney gestures before games expect trouble because that's all they cause no one reported on how well the handshaking went at all the other weekend games did they.

Spot on.

[colin25]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Why 'coz he didn't shake the hand of some he doesn't like, big deal, I wouldn't have shaken it either, they want to make these phoney gestures before games expect trouble because that's all they cause no one reported on how well the handshaking went at all the other weekend games did they.

I don't agree with suarez, but equally I always thought hand shake at start is stupid

which proves, two stupids don't make a smart

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

What's most disappointing is that there really was nothing to see.... Had a liar (abused 10 times?) accused me of being a racist I wouldn't a shake their hand either. Also, Ferguson needs to look a bit closer to home before he casts his judgement on other teams players.

Liverpool's case was hinged on the definition of the word Suarez used being a term of affection in South America. However Evra is from France and the word used there is racially offensive. This even if Liverpool's case is correct, that Suarez used it as a term of affection during an argument, Evra was not to know that.

So quite why he is the liar and why he deserves the abuse from Liverpool is beyond me. The again Liverpool's behaviour in this entire case has been beyond me. Such as nasty reaction from the fans and club to a player who feels he was racially abused.

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

What's most disappointing is that there really was nothing to see.... Had a liar (abused 10 times?) accused me of being a racist I wouldn't a shake their hand either. Also, Ferguson needs to look a bit closer to home before he casts his judgement on other teams players.

Hello Kenny.

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Why 'coz he didn't shake the hand of some he doesn't like, big deal, I wouldn't have shaken it either, they want to make these phoney gestures before games expect trouble because that's all they cause no one reported on how well the handshaking went at all the other weekend games did they.

I don't suppose Evra wanted to the shake the hand of a racist that has abused him either. But he wasn't stupid and knew the media would be looking, he knew if he just shook hands that would be that, end of story, and both players could move on. For some reason Suarez didn't want that and the story is going to go on and on.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

I don't suppose Evra wanted to the shake the hand of a racist that has abused him either. But he wasn't stupid and knew the media would be looking, he knew if he just shook hands that would be that, end of story, and both players could move on. For some reason Suarez didn't want that and the story is going to go on and on.

I think there is also a further point in that the Suarez / Evra incident has been extremely bad for the game. Whether you wanted to shake the other's hand or not, football is bigger than both of them and so to show the world at large that the racist episode was over between them - as far as the game goes - the handshake would have been the responsible thing to do.

I am not doubting that there are racists in football, from all shades of the colour spectrum. But let's leave that off the pitch, especially when you have easily influenced people (including youngsters) watching.

On a further note, Cameron should stay out of football....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17001503

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I think the whole business is being taken out of proportion, Did we make a fuss after the John Terry and Bridges incident, I was hoping that Bridge would have slapped him one.

The scenario with the Suarez affair is that the club is taking a backside view of it, I am a great fan of Liverpool, (I am a spurs fan), there players have great respect and of Dalglish a great player.

But Sir Alex summed it up for me, Suarez should face the wrath of the Liverpool management BUT also the board.

Liverpool are a laughing stock of football today. This has to be sorted out quickly, BOTH players to spoken too. BUT the only snag there is Suarez thinks he is above everyone else and is very cocky.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think the whole business is being taken out of proportion, Did we make a fuss after the John Terry and Bridges incident, I was hoping that Bridge would have slapped him one.

The scenario with the Suarez affair is that the club is taking a backside view of it, I am a great fan of Liverpool, (I am a spurs fan), there players have great respect and of Dalglish a great player.

But Sir Alex summed it up for me, Suarez should face the wrath of the Liverpool management BUT also the board.

Liverpool are a laughing stock of football today. This has to be sorted out quickly, BOTH players to spoken too. BUT the only snag there is Suarez thinks he is above everyone else and is very cocky.

I also agree with Raaf, Cameron etc should keep there nose out of football and leave to the various people, The FA. PL and the clubs.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Why 'coz he didn't shake the hand of some he doesn't like, big deal, I wouldn't have shaken it either,

Don't take it out of context with that crap. Not liking someone and being racist to someone is something completely different.

[Russ]

I think people are looking at this in the wrong way.

Firstly I think Suarez is ****. Racist or not, he's a liverpool player, 'nuff said.

However I don't think he is racist. I think it's entirely possible to make a racist comment without being a racist. My OH is British Indian. If someone wanted to call me a racist then they'd have a job on their hands trying to prove it. At times she and I have silly immature moments where we call each other childish names etc. I say things like "Yeah, that sums up you brown-skinned people etc". Of course she doesn't take it in any other way than us messing about. If I said it publicly about someone in the street I'd probably get in trouble for it. But it's all in the context.

Back to Suarez. There are things you just don't do or say in public especially if you're a celebrity or in a role-model position. He deserved his punishment from the FA, no question there.

But what I think he (and Terry) did was to say something in the heat of the moment. This is not to excuse anything but we often say things in the heat of the moment. I think both players were angry and wanted to be offensive and hurtful as they possibly could. I think this is human nature and not an indication of their true natures. I can't see Terry being racist, I think it would have shown up long before now considering how long he's been in the game. Suarez....I have no idea but I think he's only guilty of using very unwise words. He deserves his punishment but I don't see him as racist.

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think the whole business is being taken out of proportion, Did we make a fuss after the John Terry and Bridges incident, I was hoping that Bridge would have slapped him one.

Difference being Bridge had every right to not want to shake Terry's hand. If this was the other way round, with Evra refusing to shake Suarez's hand, I bet not as much would have been made of it.

Suarez admitted to saying what Evra claimed he said, his defense was that it wasn't meant as offensive, just a term of endearment.

Why then should he refuse to shake the hand of the guy he didn't mean to offend? Sure he served a ban because of saying it, but if that was me I'd want to apologise to Evra for accidentally offending him, not decide I hate the guy because of the suspension.

However I don't think he is racist. I think it's entirely possible to make a racist comment without being a racist.

What makes you think he isn't? What has he actually done in this situation that makes him look like he isn't racist? Like I've said above, if he isn't racist, and didn't mean to offend Evra, what reason does he have for not shaking the guys hand? What reason does he have for not apologising for accidentally causing offence to Evra when he didn't mean to?

There's a saying that if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. Suarez did an awful lot of quacking on Saturday.