Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[manxminx]

Originally Posted by none

Graphics update, this time for webmasters.

Webmaster Banners















Webmasters, feel free to use these graphics on your site(s) as you see fit.

Keep up the good work everybody!!!

Many thanks for these banners None.

Although the use of these graphics is not being policed, may I please request that they are only used by webmasters and websites who are actively trying to block Phorm.

[RamJet]

really good banners !

Great news from the online Independent today :-

"Online tracking firm Phorm sees losses double"

" Friday, 11 April 2008


Phorm, the online advertising service accused of illegally tracking individuals' web-browsing histories in order to target marketing, announced annual losses of $32.8m (£16.6m) yesterday"

Do we have an address - e:mail or otherwise to sign an opt-out with Virgin

I want to get mine in and acknowledged asap

[Ravenheart]

I saw a piece on BBC breakfast that a council had spied on a family about school admissions, on there was a Liberty representative, stating that the council had used RIPA to do the surveillance and how outraged they were.

I got in touch with Liberty some time ago about about Phorm and it's online tracking plans, as yet they've not replied, so it's time for a more strongly worded letter to them I think. They also have a link to a Human Rights privacy laws easily explained site called Your Rights.

http://www.yourrights.org.uk/your-ri...cy/index.shtml

[Raistlin]

Sorry if I've missed them, but do we have any 'Signature' banners for people to use on forums?

[jca111]

Originally Posted by Alex @ Phorm

My apologies to bigbadcol, jca11 and ceedee - you're right I've got some things to learn about netiquette
...
jca11: I have passed your question to our legal guy and will chase for an answer for you.
...
Alex @ Phorm

Thanks Alex @ Phorm - I look forward to the honest, open and non-spun answers for my 2 questions about Fraud and Cookie Copyright!

[popper]

http://www.techradar.com/news/intern...ted-ads-315311

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its interesting reading the ad network spin on this, they might be doing us a favour in that they are getting it wrong but convincing the other ad networks they might be in trouble too.

http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=conWebDoc.18667

...
Several big name companies have signed up to use Phorm's technology, which monitors a user's browsing history.

Both commercial companies and social networking sites are known to use a similar system.

However, critics have said such technology infringes privacy laws by using users' data for commercial gain.
..."

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ohh its hit which?

http://www.which.co.uk/reports_and_c...557_136309.jsp

[unicus]

Just read the full interview with Kent on TechRader (here) and he just doesn't like to answer some questions he doesn't like and instead just reiterates the same prepared crap, he ought to be in politics. Regardless of what he says I get a feeling he realises he's in really hot water over interception.

Oh and Kent when you say "Our aim is to continue to educate people on our system in order to reassure the small minority who have expressed concerns that they can trust our technology to safeguard their privacy." I can reassure you that the 'small minority' is everybody who's heard of your system, it's growing in number and the more we learn about Phorm the more concerned we become.

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by unicus

Just read the full interview with Kent on TechRader (here) and he just doesn't like to answer some questions he doesn't like and instead just reiterates the same prepared crap, he ought to be in politics. Regardless of what he says I get a feeling he realises he's in really hot water over interception.

Oh and Kent when you say "Our aim is to continue to educate people on our system in order to reassure the small minority who have expressed concerns that they can trust our technology to safeguard their privacy." I can reassure you that the 'small minority' is everybody who's heard of your system, it's growing in number and the more we learn about Phorm the more concerned we become.

I particularly like the part of his answer where he says that Phorm obtain user consent for interception.

My question to Kent: I have no intention of giving my consent for you to intercept my data, and I will be blocking all connections to your cookie server domains as well. So that being the case, just how do you propose to determine that I have "opted out" without intercepting at least some of my data?

[3x2]

Same old same old

Look, PhormTeam - it's simple. If your technology is the leap forward that you claim then you should have no trouble making it strictly opt-in. Two distinct routes through my ISP, Phorm and regular.

You can't do it simply because you have sold your customers the dream of making a captive audience out of more or less everyone in the UK with a BB connection. Failure to deliver means they will leave in droves. Without the captive audience you are just another spyware company touting for business.

Repeating the same speech and answering only "approved" questions convinces no-one. You are a spyware vendor who happened to work out that putting your wares into exchanges where we can't remove it would solve all your problems. Welcome to the real world.

[manxminx]

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Sorry if I've missed them, but do we have any 'Signature' banners for people to use on forums?

see this thread for anti-Phorm banners and sigs : http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...opic.php?384.0

[jca111]

Originally Posted by manxminx

see this thread for anti-Phorm banners and sigs : http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...opic.php?384.0

Brilliant! Feel free to use my Philth graphic

<---- Here

If anybody wants it.

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by jca111

Brilliant! Feel free to use my Philth graphic

<---- Here

If anybody wants it.

Nice!

[unicus]

There is something else I'd like Phorm to supply - the surveys they keep going on about. I bet the question "would you like all your web activity monitored" never came up

Come on Phorm supply us with the questionnaires, the (anonymous) results, anything so they can be peer reviewed to their relevance to your system.

Maybe we could formulate a questionnaire to survey whether people want this system.

[kt88man]

Originally Posted by unicus

Just read the full interview with Kent on TechRader (here) and he just doesn't like to answer some questions he doesn't like and instead just reiterates the same prepared crap, he ought to be in politics. Regardless of what he says I get a feeling he realises he's in really hot water over interception.

Well, he did study politics...

Kent attended St Paul's School, London and holds a Bachelor's degree in Politics from Princeton University.

http://www.phorm.com/about/exec_ertugrul.php

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Originally Posted by unicus

There is something else I'd like Phorm to supply - the surveys they keep going on about. I bet the question "would you like all your web activity monitored" never came up

Of surveys, as we all know - If you want the "right" answer one needs only ask the right question...

With Phorm however, asking any question of them will result in only replies which are favourable to themself... hmmm... they think we don't realise that...

[jca111]

Kent Ertugrul
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Kent Ertugrul, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, has built up a number of businesses in finance and technology over the past 20 years. He started his career in investment banking, working at JP Morgan, Credit Suisse and Morgan Stanley before going into business on his own. His early ventures included Migs Etc, which offered tourists flights on Mig aircraft as the Soviet Union embraced market economics. Additionally, as director and chief financial officer, he oversaw the growth of Compass Technology into a leading PC-based voice mail company. In 1991 Compass merged with California based Octel Communications, which in turn was acquired by Lucent Technology.

Kent has worked with the same technology team for more than 17 years specialising in creating and developing technology to enhance social interaction. Prior to starting Phorm, Kent founded Life.com, a desktop software and online interactive diary, and Voxster, a company enabling instant messaging from email. Phorm was publicly listed on the London Stock Exchanges AIM market in 2004. Kent attended St Paul's School, London and holds a Bachelor's degree in Politics from Princeton University.

I notice that he doesn't mention 121Media a known adware/spyware/rootkit company here. Open and honest? My Ar*e!