All F1 2005 Discussions - Page 18

MetaWraith · 12-07-2005, 00:25

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Originally Posted by Graham

It's interesting to note that nobody's actually said anything about the Silverstone Grand Prix.

But there again, that's because it was frankly pretty damn boring!

I did actually watch the highlights and you pretty much summed it up with the B word.

punky · 12-07-2005, 00:26

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Originally Posted by Graham

It's interesting to note that nobody's actually said anything about the Silverstone Grand Prix.

But there again, that's because it was frankly pretty damn boring!

Actually, to me, calling F1 boring, is boring. Sorry to rag on F1 in a pro-F1 thread, but its been boring for so long now I am suprised anyone turns up, including the racers. I lost interest in it years ago.

12-07-2005, 00:35

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Originally Posted by punky

Actually, to me, calling F1 boring, is boring. Sorry to rag on F1 in a pro-F1 thread, but its been boring for so long now I am suprised anyone turns up, including the racers. I lost interest in it years ago.

just 'cause you wouldn't fit in a car

- you are not wrong, though, Gav - they have regulationed out all the fun

andygrif · 12-07-2005, 00:35

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Originally Posted by Graham

It's interesting to note that nobody's actually said anything about the Silverstone Grand Prix.

But there again, that's because it was frankly pretty damn boring!

You're absolutely right, it was dull. It did seem that there was a good race going on at the back, but as ITV were host broadcasters, we got to see virtually nothing of that of course!

I would have liked to have seen Kimi's fight to the front for example. People keep saying they want to see more overtaking - well I think we all knew he would be doing plenty of that (becuase he did the same last week too) and we saw absolutely nothing of it.

to ITV

12-07-2005, 01:17

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Originally Posted by andygrif

You're absolutely right, it was dull. It did seem that there was a good race going on at the back, but as ITV were host broadcasters, we got to see virtually nothing of that of course!

I would have liked to have seen Kimi's fight to the front for example. People keep saying they want to see more overtaking - well I think we all knew he would be doing plenty of that (because he did the same last week too) and we saw absolutely nothing of it.

to ITV

agreed, there was one point they cut away from a genuine overtaking manoeuvre to a pit stop, then tried to catch up, I can't remember the protagonists, but it was not good

Graham · 12-07-2005, 01:45

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Originally Posted by homealone

did you watch the Champ Car race later - much more exiting,

Nope, but I may well keep an eye out for it in the future!

sherer · 12-07-2005, 11:09

as i've said before in this thread Alonso's plan for overtaking Montoya was to go quicker than him while he had pitted rather than overtake on the track.. the casual F1 fan finds this confusing as if it had worked then before the stops Montoya was in front and then afterwards Alonso would have been in front.. it didn't work but it's hardly exciting where as Alonso overtaking Montoya into Stoew would have been exciting

the other problem is if you listen to the drivers it's the car wasn't balanced etc and then they can't drive it.. if a car isn't in that 97-100% window it can't be driven quickly and the drivers can no longer drive around problems with cars by taking different lines as the aero side count's too much towards the overall lap time

purenuman · 12-07-2005, 12:09

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Originally Posted by sherer

as the aero side count's too much towards the overall lap time

It's not fair blaming their choice of chocolate bar.........

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Seriously though, the people to ask about the way to shape the regs so as to allow more overtaking, creative freedom, fairness and safety so they can put on a good show is the engineers who design the cars.........

How you would get an honest and helpful answer from them is another thing because each would give an answer that they felt gave them personally the biggest advantage......

The biggest obstacle to the change needed is the Concorde agreement and while the FIA and Max get a lot of stick for the regs in reality they are shaped by what the teams will agree to (up to a point)...

If the FIA had their way the regs would be pretty much what the audience is asking for....... The FIA want to end or seriously limit the aero side of things so it's more about reducing drag than creating downforce. They also want big fat slick tyres........... Bring it on!

andygrif · 12-07-2005, 13:38

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Originally Posted by purenuman

The biggest obstacle to the change needed is the Concorde agreement and while the FIA and Max get a lot of stick for the regs in reality they are shaped by what the teams will agree to (up to a point)...

If the FIA had their way the regs would be pretty much what the audience is asking for....... The FIA want to end or seriously limit the aero side of things so it's more about reducing drag than creating downforce. They also want big fat slick tyres........... Bring it on!
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I'm in split minds about the FIA making the rules. The Concorde Agreement (as I understand it, and I'm no expert) is based on the participants of the sport. Surely the people in the best position to know how they want to play their game are the participants, no?

I kind of see it like playing Monopoly (and Silverstone's race was about as mind-numbing)....I can play according to the rules printed in the box, but if I actually want to finish playing the game this week, then the players agree to an adaptation to suit them.

But then, on the other hand, the drivers are not necessarily the best people decide what the spectators want to see.

Also, I'm very wary of anything the FIA does. I read an interview with Mosely the other day - he turned up at Silverstone this week, it was the first he'd been to an F1 GP for about six years IIRC.

It's like Sven not turning up to a World Cup final!

sherer · 12-07-2005, 14:24

any changes to the rules and the concorde agreement have to be done with the teams and them all agreeing.. which means any change which might give us better racing and more excitment won't get through

each team will just think of themselves.. see Ferrari.. and so they can't all agree on what they should do as they all have their own agenda

purenuman · 12-07-2005, 15:56

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Originally Posted by sherer

any changes to the rules and the concorde agreement have to be done with the teams and them all agreeing.. which means any change which might give us better racing and more excitment won't get through

each team will just think of themselves.. see Ferrari.. and so they can't all agree on what they should do as they all have their own agenda

Very true!

It's what has stopped the huge amounts of downforce being cut enormously, and therefore the turbulence and inability to run close behind to overtake unless you have a huge performance advantage.

The teams will only agree to lose what they feel they can engineer back in to the cars very quickly.

The fact that some of the teams have invested heavily in wind tunnels would also mean they were reluctant to drop downforce as a major feature......

12-07-2005, 16:14

according to the itv website mansell and prost and other stars are racing in germany this weekend.anybody know if its being shown on tv.

here's hoping
andy

ian@huth · 12-07-2005, 16:22

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Originally Posted by andy 1

according to the itv website mansell and prost and other stars are racing in germany this weekend.anybody know if its being shown on tv.

here's hoping
andy

Not really a race http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33477

12-07-2005, 16:24

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Not really a race http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33477

would still like to see it though.

andy

ian@huth · 12-07-2005, 16:47

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Originally Posted by andy 1

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Not really a race http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33477

would still like to see it though.

andy

Digiguide tells me that DTM qualifying from the Norisring is being shown on Motors TV between 4:00 and 6:00pm on Saturday with the actual race on the same channel Sunday 4:20 to 6:10pm. I preume that the stars shoot out will be during that Saturday afternoon slot. It will also feature Emerson Fittipaldi, Jody Scheckter and Mick Doohan.
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Unfortunately for cable viewers I think that Motors TV is only available on satellite and Wight cable. One of the reasons I have Sky+.