Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[popper]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

OK, I just got off the phone with Catie MacDonald from the ICO press office and the findings are frankly shocking.

Apparently ICO are -not- investigating Phorm at all, they are reviewing documents they asked Phorm to send them but it was reiterated over and over again that there is definitely no official investigation by ICO with regards to Phorm.

Furthermore, there is no investigation with regards the BT secret trials of 2006 and 2007 in any capacity whatsoever.

I asked why ICO are not investigating the BT and it was just reiterated that the only thing regarding the Phorm technology that ICO are doing is reviewing documents requested from Phorm.

I just had a call back from ICO and was told that RIPA is nothing to do with ICO and falls under the umbrella of the Home Office.

This is shocking news given the reports in the press over the past month claiming ICO are investigating. They were not very happy to talk to me at ICO either and stated I was not permitted to quote them and would not even give me a name until I first gave them my name, address and phone number. This was despite me explaining that I am a student at University studying privacy issues as part of my Sociology major (which I can prove with half a dozen academic papers I have written over the past 15 months on privacy issues).

Alexander Hanff

Alexander, it sounds like you need to pass this info on to chris at Elreg, and even charles if you must, they are far better placed to get the official quotes you have been talking about.

perhaps even the BBC and C4 might be useful in this, but chris is the first port of call as he's done so much in all this already. send him an email, he will know you with your crime No. and injunction text im sure, if he's not already read your post here .

[manxminx]

Has anyone contacted the Shadow Home Secretary, David Davis yet? This sounds like a good avenue to explore. I'm not very good with letters and stuff (although I have written a few), but would be happy to support Alexander/Popper/CaptJamie in any letters they write.

I must thank many people, especially Alexander/Popper/CaptJamie for the time they have spend, both here and elsewhere on the web in support of our cause. Your continued and tireless campaigning is VERY much appreciated.

Ali ((huggsss))

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by manxminx

Has anyone contacted the Shadow Home Secretary, David Davis yet? This sounds like a good avenue to explore. I'm not very good with letters and stuff (although I have written a few), but would be happy to support Alexander/Popper/CaptJamie in any letters they write.

I must thank many people, especially Alexander/Popper/CaptJamie for the time they have spend, both here and elsewhere on the web in support of our cause. Your continued and tireless campaigning is VERY much appreciated.

Ali ((huggsss))

You're making me go all shy now...

Which is generally perceived as the best way to get in touch with an MP or MEP? Being a bit old fashioned I tend to go for letters but things move so quickly now it seems e-mail is the better way to go. Any thoughts?

[kt88man]

Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter

Which is generally perceived as the best way to get in touch with an MP or MEP? Being a bit old fashioned I tend to go for letters but things move so quickly now it seems e-mail is the better way to go. Any thoughts?

I've found http://www.writetothem.com/ works quite well...

[bigbadcol]

IPM on radeo 4 have PHORM in the posible line up for Saterdays show

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ipm/2008/...il_5th_1.shtml

the more people who contact them on this the better chance of it being included so please get contacting

thanks

col

[Mesmer]

Originally Posted by manxminx

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I must thank many people, especially Alexander/Popper/CaptJamie for the time they have spend, both here and elsewhere on the web in support of our cause. Your continued and tireless campaigning is VERY much appreciated.

Ali ((huggsss))

I would like to add my thanks and gratitude too.

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by Mesmer

I would like to add my thanks and gratitude too.

ditto... big

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by Mesmer

I would like to add my thanks and gratitude too.

Same here.

[mark777]

Channel 4 news have just indicated at the start of the programme that they will be discussing BT during the programme.

[Anonymouse]

I've been wondering for ages why this situation seemed so familiar - and last night at work I finally remembered.

Did anyone else here ever watch the Max Headroom series? The last episode shown involved a Japanese corporation, Zik Zak, taking over Network 23 in order to gear its output to what they wanted. An exchange between one of their execs and the head of 23 says it all:

"This [i.e. floods of advertising] is what you have failed to deliver! This is what the people want."

"How the hell do you know what people want?! We've been at this for years, and we still don't know!"

Zik Zak's arrogance in claiming to know what consumers want sounds to me exactly like Phorm's attitude re Webwise. In many ways that show was way ahead of its time.

[popper]

C4 (VM 104) is broadcasting the Phorm story right now, i dont have my DVB-T card pluged in so i cant capture it for you, sorry.

perhaps they may put the clip up at some point...later

[lucevans]

I've just watched the 2 clips from BBC Breakfast this morning - one was a "package" piece, and was embarrassingly simplistic, factually incorrect and pro-Phorm.
However, the other, an interview on the couch with the hapless woman from BT, was rather better: the female interviewer did not let her spout BT platitudes, and used the kind of language that we here has been using: she repeatedly accused BT of "spying on their customers" and pointed out that BT's customers would not be happy if they found out about this.
She (the interviewer) seemed genuinely irate that the country's national carrier could get away with doing this, so let's hope the BBC put out more items like that in the future.

[popper]

ohh the US credit crunch might over shadow the ISP/Phorm story...., OC perhaps thats the reason why Phorm came here first, to bank the UK cash to help them in their Upkeep of their slumping homes prices in the US

[fatassmichael]

Channel 4 "News at Noon" Link http://www.channel4.com/news/article...tomers/1933047

[kt88man]

Originally Posted by lucevans

I've just watched the 2 clips from BBC Breakfast this morning...

The one from C4 earlier today is worth a look if you've not seen it...

http://www.channel4.com/news/article...tomers/1933047