Unstoppable migration?

[Osem]

Ah well at least it's only 60-70% of 'child refugees' who're subsequently discovered to be not exactly children but I don't suppose any of those being allowed in from that notoriously unsafe country called France will fall into that category. Big surprise that though eh? I mean who'd have thought desperate people might deliberately lie about their age, knowing that they have nothing to lose and if they do that they'll likely be allowed into the UK and then be able to take their chances with the 'system' either by absconding or lodging numerous appeals and hoping again to 'disappear' as the process drags on. No, they might be prepared to cross the Channel in a sink or cling to the bottom of a truck/train but they won't lie at all in order to get into the UK illegally and there certainly ins't a whole 'industry' of people dedicated to helping them do just that.

Remember, these 'children' can't just be detained by the authorities whilst all the checks are made so it's not exactly difficult for them to run away from the host families/care placements they're allocated just like so many of our very own 'problem' children have (and continue to do) in places like Rotherham.

In the year ending September 2015, 590 asylum applicants had their age disputed and of those, 574 recorded as having an age assessment.

Of the 574 refugees checked, 371 were found to be adults.

Since 2006 there have been 11,121 age disputes. Of those, 4,828 were found to have been adults.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...e-adults-figu/

“When I went to Calais there were caravans with notices on how to get coaching on what to say if you need to get into Britain. So I am very concerned about this.

“I’m all for helping innocent children but it is completely ridiculous if we are just going to allow people in based on what they tell us.”

This has been going on and known about for years - immigration officers will testify to how common it is and the figures quoted above are all the proof that's required to see how ridiculous the 'system' is and just how naive some well meaning people are*.

Anyway it'll be interesting to see how well these poor young children thrive in their future lives in UK and within those close families we've been told they have in the UK so I'm sure HMG will want to monitor and report their progress so anyone who doubts the wisdom of this decision can be reassured...

* Those who aren't just stupid or have another agenda that is.

[heero_yuy]

"Child" on the front of my red top has crows feet. Looks more like 40. We're being taken like mugs again.

They even had some stupid woman on the Today programme this morning saying that teeth and X-ray checks would be "traumatising" for the "children". Not in comparisson to fleeing war IMHO.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

"Child" on the front of my red top has crows feet. Looks more like 40. We're being taken like mugs again.

They even had some stupid woman on the Today programme this morning saying that teeth and X-ray checks would be "traumatising" for the "children". Not in comparisson to fleeing war IMHO.

Might that be why the Beeb has apparently 'pixellated' their faces for us?

Those who support this decision know full well that once these people are here it'll be extremely hard to remove them so we can expect the usual plethora of excuses and cynical delaying techniques to be applied to that sole end.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Might that be why the Beeb has apparently 'pixellated' their faces for us?

Those who support this decision know full well that once these people are here it'll be extremely hard to remove them so we can expect the usual plethora of excuses and cynical delaying techniques to be applied to that sole end.

TELL US THE TOOTH MPs demand dental tests of ‘child’ migrants as concerns grow over ages of asylum kids arriving in Britain who look closer to 40

Fourteen more 'kids' etched with crow's feet arrived in Britain yesterday and were fast tracked into the UK for being 'minors'

Take a look at the "Children" here and make your mind up. No little boys and no girls at all.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Take a look at the "Children" here and make your mind up. No little boys and no girls at all.

Judging by the behaviour in Cologne, Rotherham etc, the "little boys and girls" left behind are now safer.

Parts of Aleppo are safe and have normal everyday lives. It just happens to be the areas where the rebels aren't using the residents as "human shields".

[techguyone]

Wow just wow, the top guy... look at his hands & eyes, if he's under 35 I'm Queen Victoria...

That's just shocking at least 50% of those pictured - no way.

[Ignitionnet]

I'm an advocate of our fulfilling our humanitarian obligations, however this does seem at first impression to be crazy, not least because there will be people who appear well over 18 going into our schools. There are some documented cases in Sweden and other places that are simply absurd.

I struggle to imagine there is no way to ascertain age with at least some degree of accuracy, and I do believe the government has a responsibility to employ every method at its disposal. What goes on these people's papers when they come into the country has an awful lot of consequences.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Wow just wow, the top guy... look at his hands & eyes, if he's under 35 I'm Queen Victoria...

That's just shocking at least 50% of those pictured - no way.

Never mind, I'm sure they'll all integrate seamlessly and hereon in live totally honest, decent lives in the UK with those families we've been told about.

We're often told that there are vulnerable women and young children (as opposed to adults claiming to be children) trapped in Calais so was expecting them to get some sort of priority but hey ho...

Trying to think of an accurate way to access age. Accuracy is an issue when we're talking about such a precise cutoff. Looking around seems to show this is actually a difficult problem for immigration officials: https://www.newscientist.com/article...determine-age/

The other problem is that people age different as a result of environmental factors as well. Stress, poor nutrition and so on and I imagine a lot of these people will have suffered a lot of that to say the least.

[Osem]

The fact that it is difficult to prove conclusively is the very reason so many migrants turn up claiming to be under 18 and are coached to say so. The odds are that they'll get away it.

I don't think this is being thought through. If these young men have been so seriously traumatised by their experiences (which is one of the reasons we're told they need to come here) what extra provision is being made for them by way of mental health services etc.? It's patently obvious from, for example, the suicide rates in the UK that these services are unable to cope with the existing demand being placed on them to the point that during crises, young people are often having to be sent many miles away from their homes in order to get help/treatment because there are no secure places closer to home. It's not like there's much slack in the system so someone somewhere's going to lose out directly or indirectly and it won't be the great and the good who can afford to check themselves into private clinics when they're in need.

By the looks of it under 15 wouldn't be too hard nor would over 25 but it's hard to nail an age down within that band. Maybe they should focus on children rather than teenagers. After that people age differently, you'll see 18/19 year olds who look in their thirties and 30-40 year olds who look early twenties.

[Chrysalis]

They need to what they do for drinking age checks.

So to be accepted as under 18 the rule should be you have to look say 12 or younger. It is a lot harder to look 12 than 17.

Also it seems to be mainly males, not something one would quite expect in such a situation.

[Osem]

So the moral of the story for any would be refugees is to tear up your papers (if you have any) and lie about your age then you've got a pretty good chance that all those 'robust checks' we hear so much about are rendered meaningless. Let's not forget, the guys who've been let in now are the ones who've been deemed the most likely to be what they claim not the least likely. It beggars belief really and it's a recipe for big problems.

I find the use of the word 'children' deliberately emotive too in this case since I don't think many people would look at the images of these people and immediately think 'vulnerable children'. If they were British everyone would be queueing up to call them young adults at the very least...

---------- Post added at 14:18 ---------- Previous post was at 13:27 ----------

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

They need to what they do for drinking age checks.

So to be accepted as under 18 the rule should be you have to look say 12 or younger. It is a lot harder to look 12 than 17.

Also it seems to be mainly males, not something one would quite expect in such a situation.

A cursory glance at the migrant masses all over the EU, Turket etc. would indicate a very high proportion of relatively young, fit males and relatively few women/children but admitting that makes the whole issue far less emotive. It's also pretty easy to understand why the proportions would be such. There's little to stop young, mobile, single men from all over the world appearing on the EU's borders in search of a better life and it's easy to understand why they'd do it.

[Ramrod]

Looking at epiphyseal growth plates will give some idea of age but there is variation in the age at closure of those.

[Ignitionnet]

Some quality journalism. This is an interpreter, not a refugee.



Here he is again. The guy in the middle the picture was taken in Calais, not Croydon.



Outstanding work.