Post-Brexit Thread - Page 117

04-10-2016, 22:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

As I and others have tried our very best to explain - the UK can't suddenly decide to stop complying with EU legislation. So, nothing to be lost putting into effect the concessions that Cameron won.
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Some of it we can and should ,for example criminals,and i'm fairly certain the EU couldn't give 2 hoots how many criminals we refuse entry to or deport ,not now we are leaving anyway .

1andrew1 · 04-10-2016, 23:03

Meanwhile, UKIP's leader manages not even to last as long as Sam Allardyce's stint as England manager!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37558485

pip08456 · 04-10-2016, 23:05

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Meanwhile, UKIP's leader manages not even to last as long as Sam Allardyce's stint as England manager!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37558485

There's a separate thread for that and it's already been posted.

**Damien** · 05-10-2016, 08:32

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...kers-gw20ndp5x

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Companies will be forced to reveal how many foreign workers they employ under government plans to shame bosses who fail to take on British staff.

Anypermitedroute · 05-10-2016, 08:50

I cannot express enough how disappointing I am with the way this is going, this is fuelled by perception rather than reality and wouldn't blame any foreign company deciding not to invest in Britain.

Christ we might as well go the whole hog and ask all Migrants to wear a yellow star

**Damien** · 05-10-2016, 08:53

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Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

I cannot express enough how disappointing I am with the way this is going, this is fuelled by perception rather than reality and wouldn't blame any foreign company deciding not to invest in Britain.

Christ we might as well go the whole hog and ask all Migrants to wear a yellow star

Hopefully companies resist. I am surprised how anti-foreigner the Tories have been this conference when the whole Brexit vote was portrayed as against the EU and not against foreigners but instead they've hinted at foreign doctors having to leave, not assured EU citizens they can stay and now want companies to provide lists of foreigners.

In retrospect it probably would have been better if Boris had become leader. May seems like she is drastically over-compensating for being a Remainer by putting the boot in as much as possible.

Anypermitedroute · 05-10-2016, 09:11

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Originally Posted by Damien

Hopefully companies resist. I am surprised how anti-foreigner the Tories have been this conference when the whole Brexit vote was portrayed as against the EU and not against foreigners but instead they've hinted at foreign doctors having to leave, not assured EU citizens they can stay and now want companies to provide lists of foreigners.

In retrospect it probably would have been better if Boris had become leader. May seems like she is drastically over-compensating for being a Remainer by putting the boot in as much as possible.

I agree Damien, I see Dr Fox been pouring his mouth off regarding EU citizens in this country, for the record Liam my fiancé is not a bargaining chip

Real sad feel of right wing nationalism spreading across Europe, it's not just us

**Damien** · 05-10-2016, 09:12

Looks like it's dawned on them what they were actually considering and they're backtracking:
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/statu...67142302212096

Anypermitedroute · 05-10-2016, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

Looks like it's dawned on them what they were actually considering and they're backtracking:
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/statu...67142302212096

I don't know what to feel, careless talk like this doesn't help and does real damage to reputation. Leaving the EU was based on cutting red tape not create more

1andrew1 · 05-10-2016, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Damien

Looks like it's dawned on them what they were actually considering and they're backtracking:
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/statu...67142302212096

The trouble is - like the GPs, they say one thing to the Conservative Party Conference and another to everyone else. Which is correct?

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Commonwealth fears grow over impact of Brexit vote. Commonwealth nations have commissioned a report which highlights four issues, based mainly on the weakened pound.
- Commonwealth Exports. Weakened Pound threatens Commonwealth exports to the UK. Six states, in particular — Botswana, Belize, Seychelles, Mauritius, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka — might suffer “a big hit” from a fall in the pound because the UK accounts for more than 10 per cent of their total exports. Imports from Canada, South Africa, India and Sri Lanka might also be affected.
- Commonwealth Tourism. Sterling's devaluation could impact British tourism among member states. Some 60 per cent of Commonwealth nations are small states and tourism is the main income earner for these countries. For most, the UK is in the top three countries from which tourists travel.
- Remittances to Commonwealth Countries. The falling pound might reduce remittances from Commonwealth citizens living in Britain back to their home countries. In 2012, migrants in the UK sent $12bn of remittances to families back home.
- Reduced EU aid to the Commonwealth. The UK contributes 10% of its aid budget to EU institutions and this is at risk of reduction after Britain leaves the EU.
https://www.ft.com/content/ec5a4cfe-...7-e7ada1d123b1

Ignitionnet · 05-10-2016, 10:02

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Originally Posted by martyh

None of which has anything to do with kicking criminals out of the country.We get to dictate our terms now not Brussels

Not until we've actually left.

You may not care about an £18-36 billion a year hole in the economy with £8-10 billion a year less tax for schools and hospitals as a result of a WTO deal on financial services for the sake of 'sovereignty', I would hope HMG do.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Some of it we can and should ,for example criminals,and i'm fairly certain the EU couldn't give 2 hoots how many criminals we refuse entry to or deport ,not now we are leaving anyway .

None of it we can, or should. The country is signed up to the EU treaties until Brexit day.

I'm fairly certain the EU would be quite bothered if we started tearing up the treaties early. They would have no choice politically but to retaliate, probably by withdrawing our access to the Single Market early. I appreciate this is something you'd love to happen but those who live and trade in a bigger world really don't.

I have no idea whether you negotiate anything or are purely a manual worker, but as a general rule upsetting people before you negotiate with them isn't a great way to get a good result.

The attitude you seem to want to take towards the EU, basically ''eff it and 'eff them' terrifies UK businesses for good reasons. Between that and the government deciding it wants to start controlling the economy more, that'll be the bastion of free trade stuff kicking in, we quickly become an even less attractive location for investment.

We aren't entitled to investment from abroad. We keep sending out these signals about making it harder for them to do business here all the corporation tax cuts in the world won't help us, shell companies don't tend to employ many staff or pay that much tax.

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Originally Posted by Chris

A useful analysis here regarding the exchange rate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...-fall-further/

Sounds great, but how does it help the UK longer term when assets, and the income they generate, are being sent abroad on what is, to them, the cheap?

Also ignores the impact on inflation which will be filtering through more and more. People's wages aren't going to suddenly start going up, so what about real wages and living standards?

Osem · 05-10-2016, 10:28

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Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

I don't know what to feel, careless talk like this doesn't help and does real damage to reputation. Leaving the EU was based on cutting red tape not create more

There's been plenty of inflammatory talk emanating from the EU so let's not run away with the idea that it's the sole preserve of the Tory govt. or UKIP. This is all part of the bargaining process, it's to be expected at this stage.

1andrew1 · 05-10-2016, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Osem

There's been plenty of inflammatory talk emanating from the EU so let's not run away with the idea that it's the sole preserve of the Tory govt. or UKIP. This is all part of the bargaining process, it's to be expected at this stage.

The Government's pronouncements are nothing to do with the bargaining process and everything to do with winning the hand of UKIP voters and the right ring of the Party.

denphone · 05-10-2016, 10:56

Inflammatory talk whoever it spouts from is a sad reflection of our times sadly and the sooner we get rid of it and have a mature adult reasoned debate the better IMO.

Osem · 05-10-2016, 11:02

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The Government's pronouncements are nothing to do with the bargaining process and everything to do with winning the hand of UKIP voters and the right ring of the Party.

I disagree - the two are not mutually exclusive. Just like the inflammatory nonsense being issued by French govt. ministers (for example), from time to time when they also need to appease one faction or another.