[Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
15-09-2018, 17:53
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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Silly only because for a huge cadre of cyclists they will break the rules so there's no point suggesting they should.
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In the broader sense: some ordinary people break some of the rules some of the time but all people don't break all of the rules all of the time. Cyclists are just ordinary people.
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15-09-2018, 18:08
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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In the broader sense: some ordinary people break some of the rules some of the time but all people don't break all of the rules all of the time. Cyclists are just ordinary people.
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But the question here is specific, not generic. The specific behaviour of a cadre of cyclists is what is under criticism here.
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15-09-2018, 18:21
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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But the question here is specific, not generic. The specific behaviour of a cadre of cyclists is what is under criticism here.
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Ah, I see your point. Specifically, I have heard that 4 years ago someone had a spat with a person who had a bike. A cadre of wronged pedestrians is stewing. Well, specifically, one at least. Good heavens.
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15-09-2018, 19:47
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15-09-2018, 20:15
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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When we went up to Bournemouth a few weeks ago for a daytrip there was a sign that said sadly 5 cyclists had died in this area and by it there was another sign that said the words please wear a helmet as it might save your life.
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16-09-2018, 00:07
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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There are so many stats and opinions on the use or non-use of helmets that it's possible to spend a lot of time posting contrary links.
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When we went up to Bournemouth a few weeks ago for a daytrip there was a sign that said sadly 5 cyclists had died in this area and by it there was another sign that said the words please wear a helmet as it might save your life.
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Not sure there's any correlation between the two signs? There is so much we don't know about the deaths.
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16-09-2018, 14:55
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
I’ve never seen any stats supporting the proposition that it’s safer not wearing a bike helmet.
Always willing to be educated, though.
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17-09-2018, 00:49
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
Not sure if you're referencing my comment about the use or non use of bike helmets; if you are it is not only a safety issue. In Australia and New Zealand, where there are compulsory helmet laws, there has been a 30 to 50% drop in the number of people cycling. This statistic is courtesy of Olympic Gold Medallist, Chris Boardman.
I suppose it might be 'safer' if we all (vehicle drivers, buggy owners, pedestrians, skateboarders, roller skaters, drinkers etc) wore helmets but that's just silly.
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17-09-2018, 06:57
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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Not sure if you're referencing my comment about the use or non use of bike helmets; if you are it is not only a safety issue. In Australia and New Zealand, where there are compulsory helmet laws, there has been a 30 to 50% drop in the number of people cycling. This statistic is courtesy of Olympic Gold Medallist, Chris Boardman.
I suppose it might be 'safer' if we all (vehicle drivers, buggy owners, pedestrians, skateboarders, roller skaters, drinkers etc) wore helmets but that's just silly.
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Looks like a plan to me.
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17-09-2018, 12:11
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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Looks like a plan to me.
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Obesity and pollution looks a better plan eh? At least you’ve let the cat out of the bag: you don’t want ‘safer’ cycling, you want less cycling to suit your selfish preference.
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l would rather listen to someone with far more common sense and a clear regard for safety
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Ride a bike yourself Den?
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17-09-2018, 12:36
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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Ride a bike yourself Den?
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That would be pretty difficult given my ongoing multiple comorbidities and disabilities but in a ideal world if l was capable of riding a bike a helmet would be the second thing l would buy after a bike as its better to be safe rather then sorry.
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17-09-2018, 14:45
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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Obesity and pollution looks a better plan eh? At least you’ve let the cat out of the bag: you don’t want ‘safer’ cycling, you want less cycling to suit your selfish preference.
[SEPH]: Something like that.
Ride a bike yourself Den?
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17-09-2018, 15:28
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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In the broader sense: some ordinary people break some of the rules some of the time but all people don't break all of the rules all of the time. Cyclists are just ordinary people.
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I don't normally agree with Kursk but he seems one of the few here with a sense of perspective. All transport types have their fair share of idiots. Cyclists are no worse than car drivers ..
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Re: [Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"
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I don't normally agree with Kursk but he seems one of the few here with a sense of perspective. All transport types have their fair share of idiots. Cyclists are no worse than car drivers ..
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l am not disagreeing with that view but a driver/passengers in a road vehicle have a reasonable protection for them where cyclists without helmets don't.
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