02-12-2017, 11:00
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I don't think you can deny that a significant net reduction in immigration figures will ease the burden on services and housing, Den. That is the point.
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Originally Posted by denphone
l somehow doubt it as there are many other significant factors involved that stretch our services then just blaming everything on good old Johnny Foreigner OB.
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Evidence suggests immigration is a minor burden on the NHS compared to other factors: https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-immig...elated_content
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02-12-2017, 11:05
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#1007
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Re: Brexit discussion
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l somehow doubt it as there are many other significant factors involved that stretch our services then just blaming everything on good old Johnny Foreigner OB.
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We cannot sustain over 200,000 people coming here each year Den. You forget we are a tiny island with severely limited housing and resources.
Several rented houses, on my road have been taken up by unskilled Romanians who do not work. They constantly argue, fight with each other, are up all times of the night. They don’t integrate and to put it bluntly, some are absolute scavengers, watched 3 of them other week look over peoples walls and go through peoples bins etc, looking for any scraps of metal they can find.
Do we really want open borders to unskilled migrants who just come here to ride the benefits gravy train and steal and rob from our own citizens?
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02-12-2017, 11:12
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#1008
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by Damien
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Brexit is all about emotion and not facts. You'll never win a discussion with a Brexiter on facts and evidence alone, I'm afraid.
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02-12-2017, 11:20
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Brexit is all about emotion and not facts. You'll never win a discussion with a Brexiter on facts and evidence alone, I'm afraid.
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You have not been right on a lot of things Andrew, so you got no room to talk, at all.
Mostly what keeps being said would happen, hasn’t happened or is just fear mongering BS.
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02-12-2017, 11:25
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by Mick
We cannot sustain over 200,000 people coming here each year Den. You forget we are a tiny island with severely limited housing and resources.
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But even if they went tomorrow many of our problems would still exist unless you think otherwise?.
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02-12-2017, 11:26
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by Mick
You have not been right on a lot of things Andrew, so you got no room to talk, at all.
Mostly what keeps being said would happen, hasn’t happened or is just fear mongering BS.
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Not to mention some serious stereotyping. Talk about hypocrisy...
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02-12-2017, 11:26
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by Mick
Several rented houses, on my road have been taken up by unskilled Romanians who do not work. They constantly argue, fight with each other, are up all times of the night. They don’t integrate and to put it bluntly, some are absolute scavengers, watched 3 of them other week look over peoples walls and go through peoples bins etc, looking for any scraps of metal they can find.
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They are a small troublesome minority and as such should not be allowed in Mick as the majority of migrants who come in this country are skilled hardworking citizens who add to this country by working for many important services so l am sure you would not want them to go as well as without them our staff shortages would be even more severe then they already are..
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Do we really want open borders to unskilled migrants who just come here to ride the benefits gravy train and steal and rob from our own citizens?
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Of course not but they are a very small minority who should have not been let in to start with as the vast majority of migrants who come in are skilled and hardworking and are of a benefit to this country unless you don't them in either?.
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02-12-2017, 11:50
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by denphone
Of course not but they are a very small minority who should have not been let in to start with as the vast majority of migrants who come in are skilled and hardworking and are of a benefit to this country unless you don't them in either?.
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That’s out of order Den, I did not say that!
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02-12-2017, 11:55
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Re: Brexit discussion
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That’s out of order Den, I did not say that!
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l never said you did Mick as like many you can see the benefits of skilled hardworking migrants coming into this country.
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03-12-2017, 08:11
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by Damien
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It's obvious they aren't a major burden to the nhs, most are fit, young and healthy at least
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Originally Posted by denphone
They are a small troublesome minority and as such should not be allowed in Mick as the majority of migrants who come in this country areskilled hardworking citizens who add to this country by working for many important services so l am sure you would not want them to go as well as without them our staff shortages would be even more severe then they already are..
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Of course not but they are a very small minority who should have not been let in to start with as the vast majority of migrants who come in are skilled and hardworking and are of a benefit to this country unless you don't them in either?.
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I despute that, especially when talking about eastern European workers and I dispute the hard working bit to actually, I'm not saying they're lazy but I've never met one who works harder than me and I don't describe myself as any thing special when it comes to working hard, it's a bit of a bug bear for me the way we do our own workforce down especially in the early days when they forced wages down so much pretty much any lowish skilled job became minimum wage and also ignoring the fact their living costs were much lower. That said I had noticed a marked change amongst my eastern European workmates over the last three or four years, they were not quite so happy to do three hundred hour month's or live 5 to a house.
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03-12-2017, 15:14
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Re: Brexit discussion
Talent is talent wherever they t comes from. I work with a European Customer service team as part of my job and I would say that the 60+ EU born workers are amazing.
Interestingly, one of the managers in that team is Hungarian and her 18 year old brother came over to the UK to improve his English. He has never been out of a job. If he didn’t like a job, he quit and got another one in days, if not hours. All minimum wage of course. His impression of British 18 year old workers is not good. The sense of entitilement astonished him.
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03-12-2017, 15:24
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Re: Brexit discussion
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His impression of British 18 year old workers is not good. The sense of entitilement astonished him.
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Blame the schools and parents for that: "You can be anything you want to be" tosh. If you're as thick as two planks you'll only be fit to stack the shelves at Sainsbury's not a brain surgeon.
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03-12-2017, 16:06
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
Talent is talent wherever they t comes from. I work with a European Customer service team as part of my job and I would say that the 60+ EU born workers are amazing.
Interestingly, one of the managers in that team is Hungarian and her 18 year old brother came over to the UK to improve his English. He has never been out of a job. If he didn’t like a job, he quit and got another one in days, if not hours. All minimum wage of course. His impression of British 18 year old workers is not good. The sense of entitilement astonished him.
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Well by definition you're seeing the highly motivated ones who've bothered to come to the UK for work not the rest. What's more a few years of living here and adjusting to all that 'entitlement' can have exactly the same effect on migrants as it does on our own who've grown up with that expectation. Anyone coming here from poorer countries is bound to perceive things as being far easier here than back home and the children of migrants who're born here are likely to have exactly the same expectations as those born of British parents.
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03-12-2017, 17:51
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Re: Brexit discussion
You means these immigrants are integrating in to the British way of life?
It does go to show how each persons perceptions of immigration vary depending on their experience. On the whole, most immigrants I have met have been sound. Normal people who just want to get on with their lives. Mick’s experience is different. Neither however is 100% correct.
I have been an immigrant myself, having worked in Germany, Sweden and the US. It’s tough moving to another country to work, especially if the language is different.
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03-12-2017, 21:17
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Re: Brexit discussion
One key issue that the two leave campaigns brushed away as Project Fear is now the major sticking point it was always predicted to be.
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Brexit timetable in jeopardy as Theresa May fails to reach deal on Irish border ahead of EU deadline
Theresa May will go into a crunch meeting with EU leaders on Monday admitting she is yet to find a solution to the Irish border problem, as a Cabinet minister suggested for the first time that Brexit might not happen.
Mrs May has until Monday night to meet an EU deadline for Britain to make “satisfactory progress” on the issues of money, citizens’ rights and the border in order to trigger trade talks this month.
She had hoped the meetings in Brussels with Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk would be the moment when trade talks would be unlocked, but Government sources were highly pessimistic about the prospect of a breakthrough, leaving the entire Brexit timetable in jeopardy.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ch-deal-irish/
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