Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
18-12-2016, 22:00
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
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Again eh?
V6 only being available to Virgin TV customers with Virgin broadband is a commercial decision.
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If Netflix on the V6 was prioritised over iPlayer on V6, you might have a point about Net Neutrality.
But all data from and to the V6 is treated the same.
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Like I said tiered data plans are just one concern. It is true that if VM have restricted the V6 to a VM that this is a commercial decision.....and that is exactly the threat to net neutrality. ISPs are desperate to commercialise what users do with their connection as opposed to opening the door and letting users access a raft of services.
Tiered data plans, where you'd need to buy a specific plan to access say netflix, is one commercial route, making devices ISP specific is another. How long before Now TV enter the ISP market and make a similar commercial decision?
Market forces may end up dictating bit they haven't proven very effective with regard to say sports subscription.
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18-12-2016, 22:30
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
I have seen nothing to say that the V6 has been designed to only work with VM's own broadband service - in fact it already has been proven to work with third party routers (which will treat it the same as any other network device) on a VM connection.
It's commercialy only available with VM broadband at present, but it's quite possible that won't always be the case. However as the recommended connection speed is 100Mbps+, then alternative providers aren't currently widely available.
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18-12-2016, 22:50
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
Sky Q was only available with Sky broadband initially - it was several months before they allowed customers of other internet suppliers to have the box. And if you look over on the Sky forums, you'll see there are currentlyvtechnical problems for some customers with non-Sky broadband.
It could be a case of Virgin still testing how the box performs with other broadband connections before making it more widely available. Having said that, there are very few non-Virgin households capable of getting the 100mb minimum speed for a V6 anyway...
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18-12-2016, 23:06
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
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Originally Posted by BenMcr
I have seen nothing to say that the V6 has been designed to only work with VM's own broadband service - in fact it already has been proven to work with third party routers (which will treat it the same as any other network device) on a VM connection.
It's commercialy only available with VM broadband at present, but it's quite possible that won't always be the case. However as the recommended connection speed is 100Mbps+, then alternative providers aren't currently widely available.
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We can ignore routers, it's the neutrality of every ISPs connection that is important. It''s unlikely to be designed to be ISP specific but if it's been designed to allow it to be rendered ISP specific that's a subtle but significat difference.
As for your last paragraph you see no issue with VM being the only ISP that can deliver the surprising high "recommended" line speed for the new VM tv box? If that is going to form part of the official explanation as to why a non VM broadband customer cannot have VM's new set top box then it's disappointing.
It's a worrying precedent but in this case the convenience of having a VM tv service and broadband service may outweigh any concerns of not being able to use another ISP. The next case we may not have convenience to fall back on
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18-12-2016, 23:10
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
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but if it's been designed to allow it to be rendered ISP specific that's a subtle but significat difference.
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And where is any evidence that it has, apart from the current commercial requirement to have Virgin Media broadband?
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18-12-2016, 23:18
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
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Sky Q was only available with Sky broadband initially - it was several months before they allowed customers of other internet suppliers to have the box. And if you look over on the Sky forums, you'll see there are currentlyvtechnical problems for some customers with non-Sky broadband.
It could be a case of Virgin still testing how the box performs with other broadband connections before making it more widely available. Having said that, there are very few non-Virgin households capable of getting the 100mb minimum speed for a V6 anyway...
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That would be a deployment/operations decision and not a commercial one. The difference being the motivation behind the decision.
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And where is any evidence that it has, apart from the current commercial requirement to have Virgin Media broadband?
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You understand that not installing based on the ISP choice of the customer is not any better than configuring a box to only work on a specific ISP? Just shifts the when and how the decision is made the determining factor in the decision....the ISP.....is still the same.
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18-12-2016, 23:37
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
There is a difference, but as I can see that you have made up your mind, I don't see any point in an endless argument as to why.
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19-12-2016, 10:42
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
V6 is now available for new customers, and comes as standard when ordering the Full House and VIP bundles online.
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19-12-2016, 12:39
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
Does that mean if you want a full house bundle you can no longer get it on quickstart?
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19-12-2016, 12:44
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
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V6 is now available for new customers, and comes as standard when ordering the Full House and VIP bundles online.
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Thanks, I know someone who has been waiting for the V6 to be available for new customers since he has just bought a house. I had a look at the Full House Sports Bundle and I noticed that if you want a second box then the only option is another V6 which is nice.
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19-12-2016, 15:43
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
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Originally Posted by BenMcr
I have seen nothing to say that the V6 has been designed to only work with VM's own broadband service - in fact it already has been proven to work with third party routers (which will treat it the same as any other network device) on a VM connection.
It's commercialy only available with VM broadband at present, but it's quite possible that won't always be the case. However as the recommended connection speed is 100Mbps+, then alternative providers aren't currently widely available.
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Out of interest, why does the V6 need 100Mbps? What is it pulling down over that pipe? Surely the dedicated TV connection (coax?) is still the primary delivery mechanism.
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19-12-2016, 16:04
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
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Out of interest, why does the V6 need 100Mbps? What is it pulling down over that pipe? Surely the dedicated TV connection (coax?) is still the primary delivery mechanism.
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I think that's for when virgin get 4k that will be able to stream it to other TiVo boxes no rush
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19-12-2016, 16:08
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
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Out of interest, why does the V6 need 100Mbps?
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It doesn't need the full 100Mbps itself. But bear in mind it is sharing bandwidth with all your other devices (possibly including up to two other V6's). If you had a lower broadband speed it could be easy to max out your connection.
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19-12-2016, 16:45
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
I wonder what's going to happen to places that suffer high utilisation. Doesn't that mean the Internet side of the V6's are going to be pointless.
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19-12-2016, 17:38
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Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
I'm in an area of high utilisation and on a good evening I just manage to hit a whopping 7Mbps on my beautiful new shiny SH3. Next review date on our fault, F003279863, is now being quoted as May 2017.
I think we may hang on to our Tivio a tad longer.
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