The Pirate Bay is blocked
03-05-2012, 11:31
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
You need to direct your venom towards the content cartels, not VM. I don't like internet censorship either, but VM are obeying a court order here.
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03-05-2012, 11:43
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
The problem is, since the EU courts have already ruled that such blocks are illegal.
I refer of course to the Scarlet Extended SA vs SABAM case in the European Court of Justice, which was ruled on in 2011.
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The judges ruled that a national court cannot impose an injunction ordering an Internet provider to install a filtering system for all electronic communications, saying it is too expensive for the company and could infringe on people's fundamental rights.
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Therefore the UK court is in breach of a ruling made by a higher court, and therefore, the ruling issued by the UK court is actually invalid. Therefore there is no "valid court order".
I am not a pirate, all my movies, music and software is legitimately owned or FOSS. However I will defend my right to visit any website I choose.
Virgin Media need to take this case to the ECJ and point out the already established precedent.
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03-05-2012, 11:54
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
Yep - I'm not a pirate either - I couldn't work all those sails and I hate parrots. All my stuff is shareware. I'm not 100% sure who the folks were that shared it with me but I'm grateful to them....
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03-05-2012, 13:03
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
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Originally Posted by Milambar
The problem is, since the EU courts have already ruled that such blocks are illegal.
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Wrong.
The court said that while content providers can ask ISPs to block specific sites, wider filtering was in breach of the E-Commerce Directive
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03-05-2012, 13:51
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
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Originally Posted by Zanny
I'll shut up now before im banned but i am disappointed that the mods have chosen to keep the bpi happy.
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This has nothing to do with the BPI or any other organisation involved in piracy combat, by keeping them happy as you put it. This is about standards, as already mentioned, we do not permit any discussion on illegal hacking of CM's or STB's, so we will not allow any links to third party torrent sites, that contain or provide access to, illegally downloadable content.
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03-05-2012, 13:55
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
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Originally Posted by Mick
We do not allow any discussion of any kind which borders on illegal activity, this is a standard we have always met since day one and I am not allowing such standards to slip, we do not allow any kind of discussion on hacking a cable modem/TV Set top box for instance, so we cannot allow direct links to illegal torrent content however much you disagree with such political rulings and or court orders.
Thank you for your understanding and co-operation.
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Not to split hairs here but no torrent site contains illegal content. All torrent sites are actually legal. What is illegal is downloading copyright materials without permission. Since the torrent site doesnt host the content, they are not breaking the law.
Many people, myself included use torrents to share large linux distros and such, places like The Pirate Bay are the best place for these kinds of things.
Anyway, I dont want to start an argument, just wanted to point out the above point. For anyone wanting to still get on TPB there are obvious ways around it, such as googling for mirrors or just using another site.
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03-05-2012, 13:58
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
This brings us back to TPB and various other torrent sites' defence of they function as a search engine and do not "contain" illegally downloadable content, and that Google presumably indexes just as much if not more illegal content as they do.
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Yeah, what he said.
FYI, most linux distros that are distributed via torrents have their own trackers, e.g. Ubuntu torrents are hosted by an Ubuntu run tracker, not TPB. IIRC TPB don't even run a tracker anymore.
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03-05-2012, 14:10
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
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Originally Posted by rmwebs
Not to split hairs here but no torrent site contains illegal content. All torrent sites are actually legal. What is illegal is downloading copyright materials without permission. Since the torrent site doesnt host the content, they are not breaking the law.
Many people, myself included use torrents to share large linux distros and such, places like The Pirate Bay are the best place for these kinds of things.
Anyway, I dont want to start an argument, just wanted to point out the above point. For anyone wanting to still get on TPB there are obvious ways around it, such as googling for mirrors or just using another site.
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Could split hairs as much as we want to, any torrent site, may not host the content, but it provides a platform in which said content is made available or can be accessed.
However much we disagree with said Court Order, it cannot be ignored because we feel it is some how invalid, it may be the case that it is but that it is not up to us to decide. A Court ruling has deemed The Pirate Bay, a site which 'provides access' to "unlawful" downloadable content.
Virgin Media is a multi-million pound company, I am pretty sure it's own legal teams have probably tried to argue the same principles, it doesn't matter, a Court order has been issued and cannot be ignored, however much it is disagreed with or however much people feel aggrieved by it.
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03-05-2012, 14:16
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
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Originally Posted by Mick
Could split hairs as much as we want to, any torrent site, may not host the content, but it provides a platform in which said content is made available or can be accessed.
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So does Google. Does that mean they should be blocked too?
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03-05-2012, 14:23
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
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So does Google. Does that mean they should be blocked too?
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As far as I know, no court order has been issued to block google, so no it should not be blocked. Winky, right back at you.
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03-05-2012, 14:37
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
Its all a bit of a nonsense. The new pirate bay website is up and running now and it isnt blocked. Some of my facebook friends pointed it out yesterday.
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03-05-2012, 14:56
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
Ah, but can you Google it? haha
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03-05-2012, 15:01
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
I hope VM rot in hell for blocking this.
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03-05-2012, 15:05
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
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Originally Posted by Paul M
I hope VM rot in hell for blocking this.
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They had no choice. If they ignore the court order they would be breaking the law.
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03-05-2012, 15:15
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re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
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Originally Posted by BenMcr
They had no choice. If they ignore the court order they would be breaking the law.
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Unless this post is untrue, they are breaking a ruling by following the order
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35422696-post62.html
Im quite sure VM could easily have stalled this if they choose to.
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