Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
13-04-2012, 08:32
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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You appear to be missing the entire point.....
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So what is the point?
is it homophobic?
if I don't get it, then how is anyone else?
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13-04-2012, 08:41
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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doesn't sound very Christian of these Christians does it
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I think you may be a little ill-informed about Christian belief on the subject of homosexuality.
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13-04-2012, 09:02
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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I think you may be a little ill-informed about Christian belief on the subject of homosexuality.
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I think we are all a little confused on some Christians belief on the subject of homosexuality.On one hand we have we have some churches allowing gay partnerships and blessing them on the other we have churches coming up with ads basically offering to turn gays straight .You tell us Chris ,exactly what is the churches belief on homosexuality? because i'm damned if i know
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13-04-2012, 09:06
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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exactly what is the churches belief on homosexuality? because i'm damned if i know
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It all depends on who you are talking to from the church.
some do, some don't. some will, some won't.
it's all down to interpretation.
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13-04-2012, 09:10
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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I think we are all a little confused on some Christians belief on the subject of homosexuality.On one hand we have we have some churches allowing gay partnerships and blessing them on the other we have churches coming up with ads basically offering to turn gays straight .You tell us Chris ,exactly what is the churches belief on homosexuality? because i'm damned if i know
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It may surprise you to know that there is no one core belief on this. If you want to go by what is written in scripture then those who have gay sexual relationships are to be put to death.
Whereas some people still believe this (I suspect they'd be anti-gay regardless of religion), there are many millions who see it differently. Jesus said nothing against loving monogamous relationships and that's the view I prefer to take.
There is far too much 'them and us' is matters like this. It's almost like if you're not actively encouraging gay relationships then you're obviously against them and want gays to have no rights whatsoever.
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13-04-2012, 09:12
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.
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13-04-2012, 09:17
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Just for clarification (which I think is urgently needed when passages are quoted on their own like this), that refers to gay sex. It says nothing about being gay itself.
Not all gays are 'at it' (if they were I think more people would give it a try...) so it would suggest scripture is more against sex being used in ways other than reproduction, or outside of marriage - the Bible says equal things about adultery but that, mysteriously, gets overlooked a lot.]
I'm not saying I agree with the above - just clarifying
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13-04-2012, 09:17
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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I'm not sure how I'd describe them but they're not homophobic. People are far too quick to play the "ooooh, gayist" card these days especially when it comes to anything connected to religion.
I don't see anything in that 'advert' which suggests homosexuality can be 'cured'. It could just as easily refer to someone straight who 'experimented' during their teens or puberty.
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I don't think this is the case. I think they are promoting the belief that gay people are cured. Either way it's promoting the idea that it's something people should / can get over which isn't a kind or helpful message to anyone already struggling with their sexuality....
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13-04-2012, 09:17
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
Taken out of context it doesn't appear at first glance homophobic.However on careful reading of the article it would appear to be offensive because it's an attempt to suggest that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured.
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The adverts were booked on behalf of the Core Issues Trust whose leader, Mike Davidson, believes "homoerotic behaviour is sinful".His charity funds "reparative therapy" for gay Christians, which it claims can "develop their heterosexual potential". The campaign was also backed by Anglican Mainstream, a worldwide orthodox Anglican group whose supporters have equated homosexuality with alcoholism.
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The phrases chosen for the posters seem to have been deliberately used to give an impression of ambiguity so as to try not to appear homophobic and thus designed to pass any test of being anti-gay by advertising standards.
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The campaign was an explicit attempt to hit back at the gay rights group Stonewall, which as part of its lobbying for the extension of marriage to gay couples is running its own bus adverts saying: "Some people are gay. Get over it." The Christian groups used the same black, red and white colour scheme as Stonewall and in a statement announcing the campaign accused it of promoting the "false idea that there is indisputable scientific evidence that people are born gay".
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13-04-2012, 09:19
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I suppose in some cases Christians can be against homosexuality because it's 'forbidden' in the bible if you like.
but say they're not when asked about it.
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13-04-2012, 09:21
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I don't think this is the case. I think they are promoting the belief that gay people are cured. Either way it's promoting the idea that it's something people should / can get over which isn't a kind or helpful message to anyone already struggling with their sexuality....
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I can see how some can take it that way - but others may see it as answering back at Stonewall constantly ramming sexuality down people's throats.
On the subject of morality, it could be argued either side are at fault however they both have views and should be free to express them, however repugnant or misguided.
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13-04-2012, 09:22
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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that refers to gay sex. It says nothing about being gay itself.
Not all gays are 'at it'
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See, this is like an interpretation.
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13-04-2012, 09:23
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I suppose in some cases Christians can be against homosexuality because it's 'forbidden' in the bible if you like.
but say they're not when asked about it.
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13-04-2012, 09:23
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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I suppose in some cases Christians can be against homosexuality because it's 'forbidden' in the bible if you like.
but say they're not when asked about it.
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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This is why it is essential that people read things in context.
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