Pay frozen for third year running
26-02-2012, 20:04
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
Lets be realistic here, Many employees in this country works hours for NOTHING, when not taking the rightful time off ie tea breaks, lunch breaks and also given up there free time to make companies successful and yet get treated like crap by there employers.
I make no apologies by saying that some companies don't deserve there staff, when they ask for more money, they are told they cannot afford pay rises.
I have over the years asked for an increase, and told in return l cannot have it, yet they will waste thousands of pounds on stupid products.
This pay freeze is typical of a Tory government, and it does not help when the stupid Lib Dems don't stand up for the voter, by saying that we should do this and that.
What are they doing with all that money they are saving, quite simply giving out in hand outs to other countries.
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27-02-2012, 08:53
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
This is the first year we have had a pay rise in the last 5 (we got standard (same amount per employee pro rata for hours) one off bonuses instead before). Only 1.5% up though.
Hubby has had an increase of sorts every year but only on the basic pay. Shift allowance has not budged.
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27-02-2012, 12:33
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
I think its a valid question to ask why is inflation so high whilst wages are static.
The extra money is going somewhere.
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What happens when mr billionaire A is living with 1 million other people all jobless except the people he employs himself.
The welfare state is scrapped to keep his taxes nice and low.
Who buys his goods?
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The money is going to billionaires and (at this rate) would be trillionares!
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
Indeed, let's take Alan's brave new world order to it's ultimate conclusion: That all the GDPs of the planet be put in one pot and everybody has an equal share from that pot.
I wonder how all of you in the UK will survive on around $25 a day per person assuming that from that you have to pay for allthe state services that you now take for granted, health, schools, defence etc in addition to all your own expenses?
And if you say that you must have more, who is to have less?
(World annual $6.3 x 10^13, Wiki world pop 7 x 10^9 )
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My plan is to replace all the Currencies of the world, my idea of a global government would not recognize past national debt, also Inflation might be lower becuase the wealthy would no longer be spending as much, my point is take the money out of the rich and into government!
In other words a fresh start
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Originally Posted by Sirius
We need real answers to real problems not crazy fantasies from Alan that don't have a chance in the real world we live in. I sometimes wonder if Alans constant change of subject is down to which lesson he has been attending at university this week. ![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif)
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The only crazy fantasies I see are people that continue to defend and promote a failed economic and social system! ![Thumb Down](images/smilies/tdown.gif)
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Because it's the Tory governments that have to pick up the financial armageddon that socialists always leave behind with unfunded pay rises and spending sprees. ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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NO, it was casud by the mistakes of the rich (along with their tax evasion) and the cost of bailouts!!!
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27-02-2012, 20:39
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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NO, it was casud by the mistakes of the rich (along with their tax evasion) and the cost of bailouts!!! ![Thumb Down](images/smilies/tdown.gif)
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The rich? You can call them Tony and Gordon.
The bailouts aren't the only reason the country is broke, a welfare system that penalises work, a ridiculously complex tax system with more holes than a colander that's been hit by a shotgun blast, an intrusive nanny state that sucks up huge amounts of cash and military procurements that are basically money pits are other reasons.
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27-02-2012, 21:07
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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Originally Posted by Derek
The rich? You can call them Tony and Gordon.
The bailouts aren't the only reason the country is broke, a welfare system that penalises work, a ridiculously complex tax system with more holes than a colander that's been hit by a shotgun blast, an intrusive nanny state that sucks up huge amounts of cash and military procurements that are basically money pits are other reasons.
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Derek you paint a very dull,negative and soul destroying picture
i am happy to say i share the same city as yourself and tbh i have a nice life here and it is not as dark and hopeless as you say . yes of course i no you are not only talking about Glasgow and that you are talking about the uk on the whole,but if i am honest, the uk is a good country to be in at the moment for various reasons and i am not sure their is any other country or city i would rather be in ![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif) ![Smilie](images/smilies/smile.gif)
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27-02-2012, 21:38
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Since this coalition has come to power, prices have gone up, student fee's have gone up, pay rises have been frozen, there have been severe budget cuts, people have lost there jobs, armed services have been cut drastically, unemployment has risen higher than in 17 years, we have had more rallies concerning jobs cuts.
The NHS is now in crisis, and the coalition are being battered by all fronts on trying to push through bad idea on pushing new laws through.
Was this brought on by Tony and Gordon, no it was brought on by a Tory/ Lib government who don't care about the voter, its about trying to save money to give to countries they think can make them money.
I am waiting for the coalition to come up with an Olympic tax, so they can make a fortune on the millions of people coming to London, just think of all that money they will make of people using the bus lanes that are being put in place for the special athletes.
We have a Tory paper that does not tell the truth,
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27-02-2012, 22:34
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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BIG SNIPOLA!
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Obviously you have forgotten just who put this country up crap creek without a paddle Arfur! Whilst the cuts may be harsh its the coalition that are trying to mend this broken country left by Labour.
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27-02-2012, 22:45
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu
Since this coalition has come to power, prices have gone up, student fee's have gone up, pay rises have been frozen, there have been severe budget cuts, people have lost there jobs, armed services have been cut drastically, unemployment has risen higher than in 17 years, we have had more rallies concerning jobs cuts.
The NHS is now in crisis, and the coalition are being battered by all fronts on trying to push through bad idea on pushing new laws through.
Was this brought on by Tony and Gordon, no it was brought on by a Tory/ Lib government who don't care about the voter, its about trying to save money to give to countries they think can make them money.
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Well, student fees certainly went up due to Tony and Gordon too, given that it was New Labour which introduced Tuition Fees in the first place (and at the same time scrapped the Grant, and lowered the salary threshold for repaying Student Loans), and New Labour which then later introduced Top-up Fees too (despite a previous Manifesto commitment not to do so ![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif) ).
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28-02-2012, 06:48
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry
NO, it was casud by the mistakes of the rich (along with their tax evasion) and the cost of bailouts!!! ![Thumb Down](images/smilies/tdown.gif)
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Rubbish Gordan Brown is not that rich
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We have a Tory paper that does not tell the truth,
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And would your paper be called " The Rose" as in rose tinted spectacles ?
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28-02-2012, 09:21
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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Originally Posted by Derek
The rich? You can call them Tony and Gordon.
The bailouts aren't the only reason the country is broke, a welfare system that penalises work, a ridiculously complex tax system with more holes than a colander that's been hit by a shotgun blast, an intrusive nanny state that sucks up huge amounts of cash and military procurements that are basically money pits are other reasons.
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The reason that the welfare system penalises work, is that wages have not increase by much thanks to the government’s crackdown on union power and the fact there has been a lot of tax evasion!
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Well, student fees certainly went up due to Tony and Gordon too, given that it was New Labour which introduced Tuition Fees in the first place (and at the same time scrapped the Grant, and lowered the salary threshold for repaying Student Loans), and New Labour which then later introduced Top-up Fees too (despite a previous Manifesto commitment not to do so ![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif) ).
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It is time we scraped Tuition and Top-Up fees and brought back grants, along with a massive investment in higher and further education!!!
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28-02-2012, 10:34
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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This pay freeze is typical of a Tory government,
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There's a pay freeze this year for all managers and above at Virgin Media.
This is after years of previous pay freezes and rises of no more than 2 - 2.5%
This is on the back of some continuing good results.
However, there is no moaning and whinging, not that I hear anyway, because we understand that we are in a precarious position still, if we're going to get through this period with jobs intact then we have to suck it up.
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28-02-2012, 10:36
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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Originally Posted by Pierre
There's a pay freeze this year for all managers and above at Virgin Media.
This is after years of previous pay freezes and rises of no more than 2 - 2.5%
This is on the back of some continuing good results.
However, there is no moaning and whinging, not that I hear anyway, because we understand that we are in a precarious position still, if we're going to get through this period with jobs intact then we have to suck it up.
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The reason there are pay freezes is that union power has been weakened!
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28-02-2012, 10:53
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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The reason there are pay freezes is that union power has been weakened! ![Thumb Down](images/smilies/tdown.gif)
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Ballcocks,
The company isn't in a position to award a pay increase, it needs to keep it's cash reserves at an appropriate level and it is also investing heavily in it infrastructure to enable it to keep competeing in the future.
If there was a union that tried to impose a pay award, it would weaken the company and would probably damage the company and affect its ability to compete and make profits which would result in job losses or worse.
People such as yourself really wind me up, you have no clue.
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28-02-2012, 11:07
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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Obviously you have forgotten just who put this country up crap creek without a paddle Arfur! Whilst the cuts may be harsh its the coalition that are trying to mend this broken country left by Labour.
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Short memory syndrome is a classic feature of Labour ideology.
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Well, student fees certainly went up due to Tony and Gordon too, given that it was New Labour which introduced Tuition Fees in the first place (and at the same time scrapped the Grant, and lowered the salary threshold for repaying Student Loans), and New Labour which then later introduced Top-up Fees too (despite a previous Manifesto commitment not to do so ![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif) ).
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I refer the honourable gentleman the explanation I have given above..
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28-02-2012, 11:48
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Re: Pay frozen for third year running
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The reason there are pay freezes is that union power has been weakened! ![Thumb Down](images/smilies/tdown.gif)
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And how are all those industries that had strong unions, such as British Leyland, mining, steel, etc?
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