Marine killer deserves clemency
09-11-2013, 21:58
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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Originally Posted by Osem
Yes, it is murder but murder on the battlefield isn't the same as murder in a civilian context. It shouldn't be condoned or overlooked but the difference should be understood. I'd hate to think that in similar circumstances in the future, one of our soldiers hesitates because of this case and more of our brave forces are killed/maimed.
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That's more worrying ,the wounded taliban could easily have been holding a grenade and knowing he would most likely die anyway or simply take the chance to martyr themselves and take some Brit soldiers with him
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09-11-2013, 22:11
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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lets be honest it has probably happened lots and lots of times only this time some Richard filmed it
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Indeed
To be honest they should ban soldiers from carrying those headcams. We did not carry cameras on patrols in NI as a general rule.
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09-11-2013, 23:19
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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To be honest they should ban soldiers from carrying those headcams. We did not carry cameras on patrols in NI as a general rule.
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No, & we didn't all have 2 way radio communication or bullet proof vests either M8.
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lets be honest it has probably happened lots and lots of times only this time some Richard filmed it
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Yes.
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That is a very arrogant opinion although in the most part I agree with what you say however the level of his training as you lay out is just down from special forces if he can not do it right then there is something wrong imo
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Your right. It is an arrogant opinion. Whenever I read posts like this, I picture myself in that position. Whenever a situation arises, a soldier needs to be forceful, aggressive, sometimes compassionate.
So here`s a situation. Your in Bosnia. People are dying everywhere. War crimes, murder, Genocide. Your with the U.N. You give some kids (about 8 years old) your sweets & chocolate, then some big bruiser comes out, punches the child's head, knocks her out, kicks her whilst on the ground, & takes the sweets. What do you do.
A. Shoot him.
B. Rifle butt him, & give him a good kicking.
C. Drive on.
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09-11-2013, 23:42
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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No, & we didn't all have 2 way radio communication or bullet proof vests either M8.
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Yes.
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Your right. It is an arrogant opinion. Whenever I read posts like this, I picture myself in that position. Whenever a situation arises, a soldier needs to be forceful, aggressive, sometimes compassionate.
So here`s a situation. Your in Bosnia. People are dying everywhere. War crimes, murder, Genocide. Your with the U.N. You give some kids (about 8 years old) your sweets & chocolate, then some big bruiser comes out, punches the child's head, knocks her out, kicks her whilst on the ground, & takes the sweets. What do you do.
A. Shoot him.
B. Rifle butt him, & give him a good kicking.
C. Drive on.
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Dude this guy committed a crime he got caught that is bad luck he has to take the punishment. What did you do?
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10-11-2013, 10:29
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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Dude this guy committed a crime he got caught that is bad luck he has to take the punishment. What did you do?
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B.
However, if I had a wounded terrorist who had been shooting at me, Probably A.
I don't consider killing a terrorists a crime. The SAS has the only 100% cure for these people.
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10-11-2013, 10:34
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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That's more worrying ,the wounded taliban could easily have been holding a grenade and knowing he would most likely die anyway or simply take the chance to martyr themselves and take some Brit soldiers with him
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Our forces are out there fighting an enemy that has no rules of conduct. They'll happily kill men, women, children in any way they can without compunction and do not deserve, IMHO, the protection of the Geneva Convention. I think circumstances such as these need to be heavily borne in mind when deciding these matters. It'd be ironic in the extreme if any of our forces were lost affording such an enemy a protection they clearly don't deserve or believe in.
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10-11-2013, 10:38
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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Originally Posted by Osem
Our forces are out there fighting an enemy that has no rules of conduct. They'll happily kill men, women, children in any way they can without compunction and do not deserve, IMHO, the protection of the Geneva Convention. I think circumstances such as these need to be heavily borne in mind when deciding these matters. It'd be ironic in the extreme if any of our forces were lost affording such an enemy a protection they clearly don't deserve or believe in.
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10-11-2013, 10:51
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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Our forces are out there fighting an enemy that has no rules of conduct. They'll happily kill men, women, children in any way they can without compunction and do not deserve, IMHO, the protection of the Geneva Convention.
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Yes, we've seen that.
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10-11-2013, 11:14
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They did it happily did they? Planned it? Enjoyed it? Had no regrets whatsoever? It was deliberate policy engrained in their MO just like the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the like. Makes you wonder why they didn't start emulating the IRA's tactics, they'd have been able to kill so many more innocents that way...
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10-11-2013, 11:17
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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Rather a pathetic attempt to have a crack at British troops .You simply cannot compare the two scenarios
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10-11-2013, 11:23
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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Rather a pathetic attempt to have a crack at British troops .You simply cannot compare the two scenarios
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Some folks clearly can for reasons best known to themselves and they're not worth trying to debate with. I will never equate how the vast majority of our troops behave with the likes of Al-Qaeda, the Taliban or any other terrorists for that matter.
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10-11-2013, 11:40
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It's a rather uncomfortable fact though that armies, of whatever hue, are capable of atrocities. I'm simply pointing out the fact that the British army has murdered it's own unarmed subjects and fellow travellers on the streets of it's own cities. As such this shouldn't really surprise people, should it?
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Rather a pathetic attempt to have a crack at British troops .You simply cannot compare the two scenarios
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I'm not having "a crack" at anyone, I'm referencing an instance where soldiers gunned down innocent people. Yes, you're right you cannot compare the two scenarios. Not least because none of the civilians shot dead on Bloody Sunday were armed combatants or engaged in armed conflict when they were gunned down.
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10-11-2013, 11:45
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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It's a rather uncomfortable fact though that armies, of whatever hue, are capable of atrocities. I'm simply pointing out the fact that the British army has murdered it's own unarmed subjects and fellow travellers on the streets of it's own cities. As such this shouldn't really surprise people, should it?
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No it doesn't surprise anyone and we are all aware that these things happen ,the difference ,and it is a massive difference,is we hold ourselves accountable when it happens as we are doing now .
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10-11-2013, 11:46
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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Originally Posted by Osem
They did it happily did they? Planned it? Enjoyed it? Had no regrets whatsoever? It was deliberate policy engrained in their MO just like the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the like. Makes you wonder why they didn't start emulating the IRA's tactics, they'd have been able to kill so many more innocents that way...
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Irresepective of whether they planned, enjoyed or regretted it they did it and that's a fact. I'll tell you what Osem, for not having emulated the tactics of the IRA they haven't done too bad at murdering innocents in their tens if not hundreds of thousands. Ask anyone living in Iraq or Afghanistan.
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No it doesn't surprise anyone and we are all aware that these things happen ,the difference ,and it is a massive difference,is we hold ourselves accountable when it happens as we are doing now .
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Fair point.
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10-11-2013, 11:53
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
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I'm not having "a crack" at anyone, I'm referencing an instance where soldiers gunned down innocent people. Yes, you're right you cannot compare the two scenarios. Not least because none of the civilians shot dead on Bloody Sunday were armed combatants or engaged in armed conflict when they were gunned down.
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You mean the innocent people that had intentions to shoot and blow up British soldiers
Don't suppose your oirish are you
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