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devilincarnate 05-05-2012 21:36
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35423813)
They believe in government small enough to fit into your bedroom. ;)
If you like to Govern should you not have a dungeon :erm:

Tezcatlipoca 06-05-2012 14:00
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
"The religious fanatics behind Tory plans to block porn"

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I’ve just been reading through Clare Perry’s ‘Independent Parliamentary Inquiry into Online Child Protection‘ which, of course, recommends the introduction of opt-in porn filters on internet connections in the UK.

Its fair to say that I’ve spotted one or two problems with the report that need to be flagged up.

Problem number 1 can be found in the title of the report and the use of the words ‘Independent’ and ‘Parliamentary Inquiry’.


‘Independent’, in this case, translates into the following branding on the back page of the report.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/05/68.jpg

For the avoidance of all doubt, Safer Media’s charitable objects read as follows:

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The protection of good mental and physical health, in particular of children and young people, by working in accordance with Christian values to minimise the availability of potentially harmful media content displaying violence, pornography and explicit sex, bad language and anti-social behaviour and the portrayal of drugs, and with a view to the reduction of crime by;

A) raising awareness and increasing understanding of the impact of harmful media content among policy makers, service providers and the public.
B) educating the public and providing guidance and support to enable parents and carers to better protect children and young people.
C) monitoring media content for compliance with established national guidelines and standards required by the law and seeking strengthening of these guidelines and standards as necessary in the light of academic research.
D) commissioning and conducting research and disseminating the useful results thereof.
You can make up your own mind as to how ‘independent’ that is.

As for ‘Parliamentary Inquiry’, this should really state ‘Ad-hoc group of MPs operating entirely outside any formal parliamentary structures and with no formal Parliamentary status’.

(snip)

martyh 06-05-2012 14:13
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
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Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35424131)

Looks like a well thought out plan that will cause loads of trouble and fail entirely in it's objective

Fawkes 06-05-2012 17:34
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I'd like to think Clare Perry was doing this to make the internet a safer place for children. Why is it that I'm starting to think this is the first step to a puritanical nanny state?

Damien 06-05-2012 18:19
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
Surely this will never pass? It's far too damaging?

Fawkes 06-05-2012 18:49
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
Why, worse laws than this have passed.

Matth 12-05-2012 23:34
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
What's the first thing you associate with any filtering?
Complaints about false positive blocking.

So the decision to have a "family friendly" filtered service should be a conscious one by the person who pays the bill, and the choice to offer such a service at all should be a business decision by the provider

Dash: CF noob 12-05-2012 23:41
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If this comes in and you opt in then find you are actually still able to access some can you then sue the ISP?

nomadking 12-05-2012 23:45
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To be meaningful, wouldn't any blocking have to be at cable modem or ADSL connection level. Otherwise you could simply connect a different computer to the modem, connection, or router.

Mushroom Man 05-06-2012 23:18
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Joined this forum to add my two pen'orth after listening to this subject debated on Radio 2 last week. From what I gather, this move is designed to prevent children accessing porn, and allegedly resulting in children raping children http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...?newsfeed=true This seems to me to be a monumental buck pass by parents who had no control over their child. Considering the number of violent computer games available to children,and yes, I know they shouldn't be, but they are, very few of whom move on to become mass murderers, maybe net porn is getting blamed for something it's not responsible for. Maybe it's about time parents took responsibility for what their kids view online, software is available, and stop penalising the rest of the world. What really prompted this rant was the stupid mother who had bought her 10 year old son a mobile phone so she could contact him while he was out playing with his friends, and was scared he was looking at porn on it. She hadn't got the brains to get him a basic phone without net access, and was now expecting his ISP to block porn................. Get a grip, I am an adult, I view porn, but I accept that kids should not be able to view it, but it should be parental controls, not an opt in for the grown ups who can view it without becoming rapists. If you can't trust your child not to view porn on their bedroom computer, take the damn thing off them, don't expect the ISP to police it. I expect I will get some grief for this post, but I can live with that, if you have kids, then YOU are responsible for their actions, not your ISP, or anyone else.

Gary L 05-06-2012 23:24
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I think it's a lot to do with a lot of people think the government should nanny us. the government thinks they should nanny us. us thinking that the government can nanny us with this one as well, and the government thinking they expect us to nanny them anyway.

and then we tell our kids to go and ask the government, instead of go and ask your mother.

martyh 05-06-2012 23:27
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35437492)
I think it's a lot to do with a lot of people think the government should nanny us. the government thinks they should nanny us. us thinking that the government can nanny us with this one as well, and the government thinking they expect us to nanny them anyway.

and then we tell our kids to go and ask the government, instead of go and ask your mother.
do you think the government should nanny us ?

Gary L 05-06-2012 23:29
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
No. do you?

devilincarnate 05-06-2012 23:37
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35437494)
do you think the government should nanny us ?
If that is what you like then I would say yes.

I do like wearing nappies and been fed:erm:

Mushroom Man 06-06-2012 00:00
Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 
As a non-parent, I accept my opinion will not count, but I do think parents should be responsible for their kids actions, not the rest of us. And devilincarnate, if that floats your boat, who are we to disagree lol

---------- Post added at 23:00 ---------- Previous post was at 22:49 ----------

And no, the government should butt out, and let parents look after their kids like they are supposed to, and not expect someone else to do it.


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