Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
 

From guardian.co.uk

So what does cableforum think about this?

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Your link is broken, btw.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...lan?intcmp=239

I'm against it. The plans, that is. Not pornography.

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I think they should have an opt-in (to the block). Why isn't this being offered? It solves the problem, or at least partly solves the problem, for 'concerned parents' and it would be much easier to pass.

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Personally i think Cameron and the government as a whole should butt out ,treat us like adults and let us decide what we want to watch ,they can get on with getting the country out of the financial crap we are in and stop worrying about trivial matters like these

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i work for an isp and i don't believe its any one else's business what customers are logged into ,they are quite capable of policing the internet in their own homes .

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Stage 1 of internet censorship in the UK? The cat is already out of the bag unfortunately, and no ammount of blocking will stop access to it. They're just jumping on yet another bandwagon to divert our attention away from other, far more important issues.

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I think they would argue they are trying to protect children, not prevent adults viewing porn. Whether you believe that or that this is the best way to approach it is debatable.

Personally I don’t think governments or ISP’s should be blocking legal content and parents should be responsible for monitoring and controlling their children’s access.

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Quite agree it's something that makes them look like they are achieving something ,a bit like Jim Hacker and his Euro sausage :)

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Exactly ,all they are doing is reinforcing the belief that the government will take care of everything with no need for parents to have responsibility

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I am confused one minute they talk about there being too much government and the next minute they are doing stuff like this. I am not into porn at all being honet i find it boring as hell but it is something for individual people themselves to draw the line on and should have no government involvement whatsoever. When the kids lived here and i was worried about what they may or may not watch\view i paid £20 for a program to limit the content that could be displayed to them and if i could afford it anyone can. Leave this upto individuals and take the time\resources that would be wasted on this and put them to use on something that will be worth it.

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They believe in government small enough to fit into your bedroom. ;)

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I actually think an 'opt-out' is a good idea. A lot of parents won't have the necessarily skills to install the software and ensure it isn't deactivated by their kids so they may welcome the ability to block it at ISP level. It would also be a decent compromise for the people trying to get this block put in place.

The Liberal Democrats should explore this option with the Tories before their inevitable backbone collapse and their backing of the bill.

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I seem to remember when this idea was first mooted the plan was that new subscribers would be given the choice, porn or no porn and all existing subs who wanted porn filtering had to call and request it. Didn't have a major problem with that aside from the cost to the ISP (read cost to subscribers).
Now it looks like they are leaning towards off for all and call if you want it back. This activated my paranoia gland, why block legal content across the board like that, porn today, what tomorrow?

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what do they judge as porn though ,will a steamy film downloaded though netflix make it past the censures or will a person have to have porn turned on to get a film like Fatal Attraction

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Agreed! One of the annoyances for art students in secondary education is finding certain art images from recognised artists blocked by the schools software.Annoys the staff who have handed out perfectly respectable course work research.:rolleyes:

I personally think that it should be like the pin number we have for VOD.

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yep ,i had to de activate the over 18 filter on my sons VM phone so he could use facebook back when he was 14

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Well that's a very good question and one I suspect they don't even know the answer to yet. If you block at the domain level you will block lots of none pornographic material and you need to keep track of them, if you block keywords you will miss pornographic content and have lots of false positives.

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If you like to Govern should you not have a dungeon :erm:

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"The religious fanatics behind Tory plans to block porn"

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Looks like a well thought out plan that will cause loads of trouble and fail entirely in it's objective

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I'd like to think Clare Perry was doing this to make the internet a safer place for children. Why is it that I'm starting to think this is the first step to a puritanical nanny state?

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Surely this will never pass? It's far too damaging?

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Why, worse laws than this have passed.

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What's the first thing you associate with any filtering?
Complaints about false positive blocking.

So the decision to have a "family friendly" filtered service should be a conscious one by the person who pays the bill, and the choice to offer such a service at all should be a business decision by the provider

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If this comes in and you opt in then find you are actually still able to access some can you then sue the ISP?

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To be meaningful, wouldn't any blocking have to be at cable modem or ADSL connection level. Otherwise you could simply connect a different computer to the modem, connection, or router.

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Joined this forum to add my two pen'orth after listening to this subject debated on Radio 2 last week. From what I gather, this move is designed to prevent children accessing porn, and allegedly resulting in children raping children http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...?newsfeed=true This seems to me to be a monumental buck pass by parents who had no control over their child. Considering the number of violent computer games available to children,and yes, I know they shouldn't be, but they are, very few of whom move on to become mass murderers, maybe net porn is getting blamed for something it's not responsible for. Maybe it's about time parents took responsibility for what their kids view online, software is available, and stop penalising the rest of the world. What really prompted this rant was the stupid mother who had bought her 10 year old son a mobile phone so she could contact him while he was out playing with his friends, and was scared he was looking at porn on it. She hadn't got the brains to get him a basic phone without net access, and was now expecting his ISP to block porn................. Get a grip, I am an adult, I view porn, but I accept that kids should not be able to view it, but it should be parental controls, not an opt in for the grown ups who can view it without becoming rapists. If you can't trust your child not to view porn on their bedroom computer, take the damn thing off them, don't expect the ISP to police it. I expect I will get some grief for this post, but I can live with that, if you have kids, then YOU are responsible for their actions, not your ISP, or anyone else.

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I think it's a lot to do with a lot of people think the government should nanny us. the government thinks they should nanny us. us thinking that the government can nanny us with this one as well, and the government thinking they expect us to nanny them anyway.

and then we tell our kids to go and ask the government, instead of go and ask your mother.

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do you think the government should nanny us ?

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No. do you?

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If that is what you like then I would say yes.

I do like wearing nappies and been fed:erm:

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As a non-parent, I accept my opinion will not count, but I do think parents should be responsible for their kids actions, not the rest of us. And devilincarnate, if that floats your boat, who are we to disagree lol

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And no, the government should butt out, and let parents look after their kids like they are supposed to, and not expect someone else to do it.

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The system for adding certificates is being bought into line with that for video.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18017385 .

So, from July, it will not be legal to sell a game with a certificate to someone under that age. About time.

Personally, I don't mind that the government is introducing an opt-in system for porn. As long as it doesn't go further. If I want to view it, I can opt in. Shouldn't take too long.

But, having said that, I also think that parents should take a lot more responsibility for their kids. I've seen too many parents that are happy to buy their kids whatever they want, just to shut them up. I worked for Blockbuster for years, and on many occasions, I had some kid who was obviously under age come and hand an 18 rated film (usually one which had that rating for good reason) to me. I, of course, refused to sell or rent it to him (it was usually boys), as the law required me to, only to have an adult come in and rent or buy the same film 5 minutes later. These films were not the type that went out regularly, so having two customers come and ask for the same film in ten minutes was extremely rare. I also frequently saw the adult hand the film to the kid outside the shop.

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Whilst I can understand your concern,the fact is that there is no law that exempts kids from watching 15 or 18 rated films at home.
I agree that parents should take a lot more responsibility,but I also think that our classification system is outdated.
I would actually prefer a voluntary system where the distributors classify their films themselves and it would be up to parents to keep an eye on what their kids are watching.

In regards to porn when you say you have no issue with the opt-in are you effectively saying the default position is for porn to be banned?

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Hi, Stuart and Will21st, you seem to be agreeing with my point about parents accepting more responsibility for what their kids view, and games they play, and for that I thank you. If you are a parent, and you don't want your child visiting dubious websites, or playing violent games, then do something about it. Take the trouble to learn about it, and take the appropriate action, don't expect the rest of us to do it for you. If you saw a stranger approaching your kids in a playground, you would intervene, and rightly so. So treat the internet as such, and take steps to protect your kids. The internet is like the rest of the world, it has some incredibly good bits, and some not so good bits. You would (I hope) not send a child to another country with no chaperone, so treat the web the same way, and they will come to no harm. Monitor your childs net activity, as you would their activities outside your home. Please don't make the 'safe' option the default for the rest of us because you can't be bothered putting in a bit of effort to safeguard your children.