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I noticed today that a media access key has now been listed in my box. I wasn't expecting this as I haven't seen anything about VM allowing download and upload of progs to a computer (but it will be a great feature if they do). I tried to connect via the IP address but only get a could not connect message from the browser.
Does anyone have any insight on this feature? Will it work in the UK in time? |
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I believe the Media Access Key is used as you describe. However, the video is not accessible via the web. You need a package called "Tivo Desktop Plus" to be able to download your videos. http://www.tivo.com/products/tivo-software/index.html
That is, of course, VM either get (or don't need) permission from the TV providers for this, and are willing to offer all the features of Tivo. I believe they have said they are looking to offer all the features of Tivo, but have not indicated a timescale. |
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Which you cant use in england.:(
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I am sure you will be able to if and when Virgin sort out access..
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On the US TiVo individual programmes can be flagged as protected so that they can't be transferred so it's possible that they could enable the feature for some channels/programmes.
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Anybody tried the Tivo Desktop software?
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Isn't the media key also used to let Tivos stream data to other Tivos in the household?
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Would be interested to hear if anyone has tried Tivo Desktop plus yet to. I'm sure it wont work but hey. |
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I have to say that streaming isn't that important to me personally, but I would love to be able to use this to access my Tivo along the lines of TivoWeb for the original Series1 units.
TivoWeb basically allowed you to access your Tivo over the internet to do things like: set up one-off recordings and Series Links; re-order series links; set up and perform searches and wishlists, etc. |
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In fact if the service is enabled this additional software is not required, it just gives an easier, richer interface. There is a web server inside the Tivo that you can in theory access via its IP address. If you get that far (I didn't) you can then put in your username, I think this is always Tivo and a password. The password is the media access key. One thing I am not sure about is that in the US the Tivo is connected to your home network so it will be sitting in the same IP range as your local computers - you know, something like 192.168.1.10 say but for VM it is quite separate and does not touch the home network but picks up a wan type address so it is going to be intrinsically more difficult to connect though I see there is also an address of a DNS server. As I don't know much about networks I'm not sure what the technique will be to make the connection so that someting other than a 'not found' message is returned in the browser. Over to more knowledgeable folk... |
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Hi all .
New to this forum, sorry if this has been posted already, but could not find anything. I am waiting for my Virgin Tivo box to arrive ( new customer to Virgin ) . I wanted to know if there is a way to extract the video content recorded onto the V-Tivo box onto an external hard drive so I can watch on my media player. I understand the LAN & USB are disabled so I cannot extract the content off the internal hard drive via the network. Is there a way or a device I can use to save the recorded content onto an external hard drive even using another device plugged in which will except HDMI input as I want to back up at the highest quality possible and not use DVD or VHS recorders? Please help? Hope this makes sense! Kind Regards |
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Unfortunately not at the moment, however I do think there may be plans in the future for multi-platform viewing similar to what is available in the US (Tivo Desktop).
It depends on what plans Virgin have up their sleeves regarding this :) |
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I hope they do enable the use of Tivo Destop as Virgin seem to be minimizing the full potential of Tivio!
Is there an alternative way to extract HD & SD content from the internal drive? |
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Unfortunately not at the moment as certain types of people, you know... the ones that have an eyepatch, wooden leg and sail on the seven seas, will use this to their advantage and share the..ahem.."booty" with others.
Not saying you would do this, but what I said above may be the reason why there is not an option of doing so at the current moment in time - who knows what Virgin may have in store in the future however. I'm off to bed now otherwise I will not getting up in the morning, my sleep pattern is all over the place :p: |
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I think the TiVo desktop function was disabled due to content rights from broadcasters not VM disabling a feature.
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Yes I agree, another reason for me to wish I was living in the US . I do not understand why they enable recording via scart and not able to back up via HDD, also the HDMI is HDCP encrypted! There must be a way around this! I do not want to be restricted to watching the shows i record on my Tivo box as I would like to watch them on my media player upstairs ! Damn why do they make life so difficult ! ---------- Post added at 04:35 ---------- Previous post was at 04:33 ---------- again why is recording to DVD enabled?, this is stupid, paying for Tivo and only a third of the features are available! Key features such as Tivo desktop not available in UK , this is false advertising ! |
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No they have not advertised the feature but TIVO have !
whats the point in advertising TIVO, releasing the device with only some of its features! Its like Nintendo releasing 3DS in the UK then disabling the 3D capability! |
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You get what I mean, Tivo Destop is advertised on there website, its free to download!
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That near enough every tv show that airs these days is available within the hour online it makes that reasoning pretty redundant. Not having the option isn't preventing piracy, it's only limiting customers usage. |
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I have the XL pack and it is so annoying not to be able to watch stuff that i recorded on the living room box in the bedroom or an episode of something on my phone.tablet on my lunch break. |
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It IS false advertising as TiVo capabilities are well known to the people this technology appeals to. Why promote that you have an advanced product for your service and disable the most useful and market leading features on said product. It's clearly a ploy for allowing for future enhanced features to turn on and ensure that in the general publics view you are getting extra services to justify a higher subscription rate. May I remind you that Virgin Media have done this before (started back in Telewest/NTL days) when broadband internet speeds were started as a maximum of 1Mbps when the fibre optic network is capable of (and has been without any modifications whatsoever for many years) more than 100 times this speed with very little cost to the service provider. I've had countless offers from the cable provider at the time that say something along the lines of "Great news! We are giving you a new enhanced [insert [Edited] here] at no additional cost” when it’s cost them nothing to give it to you anyhow, in an effort to remain competitive. It is business basics to charge as much as possible for giving as little as possible in order to maximise profits, but I do ask not to be insulted by being told I'm getting some sort of enhanced service when none of the technology has been improved to provide it and it's just literally being switched on. I'm not saying that the Virgin cable service is a bad service, or that Virgin Media are unique for doing this, but it is purely an attempt at protecting future profits and is nothing short of "marketing fluff" when the currently disabled features of TiVo are eventually activated and people who don't know better will be fooled into a false belief that they are receiving new and exciting features. Or if you prefer in short, welcome to rip off UK yet again... If anyone believes that this sort of behaviour from a trusted brand, be it Virgin or anyone else is acceptable, then there is something wrong with you. |
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Tivo advertise those services, but they don't advertise in the UK and as a user, your contract is not with Tivo. Quote:
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Therefore any advertising by TiVo Inc. in the US is irrelvent as that is a different product |
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Thats got a bit snappier than the original "Virgin Media powered by TiVo"!
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Yeah. Always thought that was a bit long-winded :D
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Of course, I never thought of that :)
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I can't believe how many people jumped to the defence of Virgin and try to justify locking out features of what is a first class product. One TiVo feature that is missing that cannot be helped is the option to remove commercials from recordings, as advertisement investors would lose faith in the marketing power of TV advertising, thats fair enough, but to stop features such as TiVo Desktop Plus and Smartphone control over LAN is just ridiculous and customers such as myself want access to these features. Quote:
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[QUOTE]Tivo advertise those services, but they don't advertise in the UK and as a user, your contract is not with Tivo.{/QUOTE] I agree, I have a service contract with Virgin Media to be served content, but not hardware features that are associated with the TiVo brand in hardware, just turn them on. Quote:
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Virgin Media:TiVo is Virgin's own product. It is not US TiVo, and has never claimed to be. The hardware is Virgin's design as are the choice of who makes the hardware. TiVo supply the software only. Quote:
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Yes, coax and fibre are capable of faster speeds, but the modems, routers, CMTS and other hardware within the network isn't/wasn't. All the customer may see is a new modem, but there is a lot of other kit that gets changed. Even when Virgin introduced a load of new HD channels, that was only possible after the introduction of the NGTV platform - most of which was new kit at Virgin Media's end. It was why the HD channels were rolled out on a regional basis Quote:
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I think the problem is rights, and I suspect part of that problem is Sky. Sky have proved very good at agreeing contracts with channels that then prevent those channels offering anything to other platforms that might put Sky at a disadvantage. Tivo To Go would certainly put Sky at a disadvantage as they can't (AFAIK) offer anything to compete. I'll be honest that is speculation though. Quote:
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Ben's done a far better job than I could, but let's just say from what I have been told, the hardware in VM's headends bears little resemblance to the hardware in place 4 or 5 years ago. The fact that most consumers are largely unaware of the upgrades beyond seeing more channels and faster broadband is a testament to how well the engineers performing the upgrade did their job. As a person who helps maintain rather a large network myself (several thousand users), I know that the one thing you don't want is users to be affected by upgrades. It's better if they aren't even aware, but you are able to offer better (or faster) service as a result. I would like to see Tivo To Go introduced in this country. I suspect that VM want to as well. It would be a hell of a selling point for their marketing department to get their claws into to get one over on Sky. |
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I know that Virgin do offer web content and the search option mentioned, but if the software supports the features, then why not allow it. Quote:
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You will see things been activated more frequently when BT's Infinity project is complete and there is direct competition in the works, the service won't be as exclusive as it has been up to now. |
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If you want to buy your own box, there are plenty of alternatives such as Freesat from Sky, Freesat, Freeview and YouView Quote:
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Then there is the HD EPG and mini guide - both of which were developed for Virgin Media:TiVo and then backported into the US TiVo software |
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VM TiVo IS a different product to the US TiVo and is in many respects more advanced. VM have worked closely with TiVo to add many features that weren't and still are part of the US version. IE red button features and the reminder facility for starters.
There was even a few features or fixes added in the US version thanks to VM getting them introduced to their version of the TiVo service. There seems to be a lot about this partnership as it were you do not understand. Things like On Demand, Live Channels and streaming all have their own rights and need to be contracted with their own set of T&Cs, this is where things get very complicated. For example last time that ITV/STV showed the Star Wars films, they were not broadcast over ITV +1 which again comes down to the way that ITV would have agreed contract rights to show the movies, and why many programmes don't appear on iPlayer and 4OD. TV services and broadcast contracts are very complicated and why streaming of recordings/Live channels will probably be taking a lot longer to implement. |
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The restricted uploads currently available are again down to upgrades required to support the extra capacity needed And if you don't understand the difference between the two, I suggest you take your own advice and: Quote:
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http://www.tivo.com A true source of fact, the originators!!! ---------- Post added at 12:27 ---------- Previous post was at 12:23 ---------- Quote:
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So yes, in this instance, that Wiki entry is absolutely correct. And you, as usual, are absolutely wrong. |
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heeleybobs, have you really registered here just to argue with people who know more than you?
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I thought schools went back last week? :D
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