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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

We not talking about housing benefit martyh we talking about the treatment of the disabled, who yes may well also claim housing benefit but thats not the main point of discussion.

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long term disability benefit claims have gone through the roof

17% since 2000 is through the roof?

You dont come across as someone who is neutral.

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The only way to increase or even maintain current expenditure on welfare is to either raise taxes or divert funds from other services ,services that tax payers pay for and risk losing so we can keep on giving lazy or fraudulent claimers free money ,we have supported them long enough

The most credible figures state less than 1% is fraud so the cuts eat into non fraudelent claims, meaning what you said isnt credible. What you have just said to me is that you find not raising taxes and other services as more important that the welfare of the vulnerable. Thank you for confirming that. Alot more truthful than just "we cant afford it".

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35379144)

We not talking about housing benefit martyh we talking about the treatment of the disabled, who yes may well also claim housing benefit but thats not the main point of discussion.

17% since 2000 is through the roof?

You dont come across as someone who is neutral.

The most credible figures state less than 1% is fraud so the cuts eat into non fraudelent claims, meaning what you said isnt credible. What you have just said to me is that you find not raising taxes and other services as more important that the welfare of the vulnerable. Thank you for confirming that. Alot more truthful than just "we cant afford it".

Well since you can't be bothered to read anytink that goes against your view i don't see why i should be bothered to debate with such a blinkered individual,but just so you know and this is from the link you i supplied which didn't read

The government figure for incapacity benefit fraud has leapt from £10m to £60m but it's still laughably small. One single sentencing session for single person benefit frauds in Merseyside identified frauds approaching £1m. That's just 21 claimants for one type of benefit in one authority area.
Two out of three claimants for the new employment and support allowance fail. If we cautiously assume that even one third of those on incapacity benefit should not be there, that alone represents a figure of £2.2bn.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35379142)

In Lambeth, use of voice recognition software identified over 18% of claimants as benefit cheats.

I find that ridiculous. a voice recognition thing that works as a lie detector.

even standard lie detectors are a joke.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35379148)

I find that ridiculous. a voice recognition thing that works as a lie detector.

even standard lie detectors are a joke.

err no gary ,it identifies people pretending to be someone else for the purpose of claiming benefit ......it's not a lie detector:rolleyes:

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35379150)

err no gary ,it identifies people pretending to be someone else for the purpose of claiming benefit ......it's not a lie detector:rolleyes:

For that to work they must have a recording of your voice? are they keeping recordings of your voice? is that legal?

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35379152)

For that to work they must have a recording of your voice? are they keeping recordings of your voice? is that legal?

of course it is ,and it's a very effective way of catching people who send a friend to sign on for them every fortnight or whenever while they go to work

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

The topic is the abuse of disabled people because of the benefits 'rearrangements not the way in which benefit fraud is carried out.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35379154)

of course it is ,and it's a very effective way of catching people who send a friend to sign on for them every fortnight or whenever while they go to work

Do they have to physically speak into a microphone? "I john Smith have come to sign on. why you can't just compare signatures like the good old days, I don't know"

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35379156)

Do they have to physically speak into a microphone? "I john Smith have come to sign on. why you can't just compare signatures like the good old days, I don't know"

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2...benefit-claims

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35379134)

There's a good chance that a lot of people do actually think people on benefits get that much.

The lowest amount is probably around 3.5k

would not be 100% sure on this 26k limit it all depends on whats included. If its absolute everything from medication to housing/poll tax(still call it that its effectively new name in old coat). Then would think disabled more to fear on the cap.

Another persacution if you like by heartless soceity. Who wants to blame them. If anything the real issue is tax CREDIT. This blossomed to help low paid get decent living standard allows firms to negate paying a proper wage. We needed to help low paid work for sure but not expense of allowing businesses to negate paying proper wage.

I bet 50% of workers are on some sort tax credit.

It was bad designed been forcing minimum wage up driving it up to £10 hour mark. Only supporting businesses who clearly would be struggling to pay it thats linking the taxman looking at the books of the company.

Therefore tax credit is used more efficient workers get better wage tax dont support big business negating paying proper wage to staff.

If anything this the real deal but will cameron take on the businesses.

Thats going off topic whats is wrong is the hatred going on. Like said feel.

Too many sheep in society who like zombies follow crusades we as nation lost its dignity.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35379155)

The topic is the abuse of disabled people because of the benefits 'rearrangements not the way in which benefit fraud is carried out.

Exactly. And the abuse is of those who are obviously genuine claimants (or their carers) such as those with LD & Physical Disabilities. All clear to the eye. The fraudsters are not obvious which is why they will not be targeted. :fit:

As for the 26k this will hurt very few. The real losers are single people who live in one bed flats under age 35. Or any single person in a 2 bed flat. Regardless of the fact this may be the only accommodation they can find or their particular disability precludes them from living in a shared house. :dozey:

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35378904)

RizzyKing well said the hate fueled by media with consent government is hideous hate crime. Maybe police should be involved warning papers and the government to stop it.

We as nation decending into anarchy. Its full hatred did you read the replys about disabled attacked nobody did nothing in milton keynes in the reply's. That was absolutely hideous made me sick.

How someone likened it to germany 1930's persacution before the war with fueled hatred started by the then government.

I have witnessed a carer who got spat at by some **** told to get a real job. It makes you sick see these things done.

Cameron could stop it he could make statements to telll people lay off they will find the ones by correct procedures who should not be claiming.

Maybe labour did start this but cameron gone way beyond the remit of getting fraudsters he now fueling the hatred. If he thought this would not happen then he most stupid prime minister ever.

You will always get **** feel its crusade a call to arms to harras, attack verbal and physical those who been demonised by the governments.

You only got look at even tourist been attacked for being here. I witnessed it all they was visitors to the country people se foreigner/disabled instantly there thick brains engage to attack mode. I appoligised for our nation to the couple I felt disgusted. Its how found out by chatting to them they was on holiday. Just because was not in traditional holiday zone they was demonised.

Its sickens me to be british way thick people are acting it happening across the spectrum of classes. Sheep who follow the claptrap speil from papers.

It is about time we boycotted newspapers like the sun, daily mail and express and start a political campaign for radical reform of capitalism and democracy, persuade people to vote for the Greens and other far-left parties so that we can teach the political and business elite a lesson!!!

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35379016)

Say something for long enough not only will some believe it but it will alter the perception of more people so that they then see the problem everywhere and so it escalates and escalates. There was a time when the british public had the brains to work things out for themselves but that day seems to be disappearing if exists at all with self interest, hatred and fear replacing those values we used to hold dear. I don't altogether blame the public we have had a media for twenty years working towards the goal of having us at each others throats and they are now succeeding and getting what they want.

I wonder how much we will lose before common sense comes back and we start to ignore those who have an agenda not ours that has never been ours.

The sooner the phone-hacking equiry shuts down Murdoch, Desmond and Northcliffe, the better for the UK!

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

Phone hacking is not the topic.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35379142)

you really aren't serious are you ? .Your biggest problem is you are only thinking of yourself and as proven by the post above have no understanding of what the government have to take into consideration when working out what can be afforded .Here's a little help .
As we all know unemployment is on the rise long term disability benefit claims have gone through the roof so that will mean less tax to pay for more welfare claimants which is going to keep on rising whith tax revenue falling ,not just this year but for years to come ,you see the government have to try to work out what the system is going to cost further down the line .The only way to increase or even maintain current expenditure on welfare is to either raise taxes or divert funds from other services ,services that tax payers pay for and risk losing so we can keep on giving lazy or fraudulent claimers free money ,we have supported them long enough again you can't be serious .That is the ridiculous thing you have said to date ,it's fraud and it's obvious that no one knows it's being done untill it's discovered ,even the government accept this .

so you think it's a simple system ,you must be the only person who thinks that .

That just proves what a selfish individual you are .I want my taxes used efficiently an not wasted on people who can work but choose not to so i don't lose services that i pay for or have to pay more of the money i work for in taxes

you may want to read the rest of the link and try to understand it :rolleyes: here's a snippet

In Lambeth, use of voice recognition software identified over 18% of claimants as benefit cheats. As shown above, the government's national figure for housing benefit fraud is £290m. At 18% this would be over £3.8bn for housing benefit fraud alone!

You have to realise that tax payers are not a inexaustible supply of money and they are getting rarer every day ,common sense tells you (or should) that the amount we are paying out is unsustainable at current levels .....unless you inhabit some fantasy world where 1+1= 3

The reason unemployment is up is becuase the wealthy has cut jobs in times like these, what about the real cheats like tax evaders (aka the wealthy and major businesses), they have stolen hundreds of billions from the government, cut jobs and wages, make themselfs rich at the expence of us and took control of our politcal system from us as well, target them insted!!!