Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

If he is he is going off topic..

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

I meant "via protest"

Can you comment on the rest of the post!!!

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I see.

Yes I can. But I don't think you're interested in my opinion.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

I am interested in yours and other CF users opinions!

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Yes because as Yoda once said " There is much to be learned ".:D

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

It was actually "Much to be learned, there is." :)

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

" Much to learn, you still have", actually....;)

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

RizzyKing well said the hate fueled by media with consent government is hideous hate crime. Maybe police should be involved warning papers and the government to stop it.

We as nation decending into anarchy. Its full hatred did you read the replys about disabled attacked nobody did nothing in milton keynes in the reply's. That was absolutely hideous made me sick.

How someone likened it to germany 1930's persacution before the war with fueled hatred started by the then government.

I have witnessed a carer who got spat at by some **** told to get a real job. It makes you sick see these things done.

Cameron could stop it he could make statements to telll people lay off they will find the ones by correct procedures who should not be claiming.

Maybe labour did start this but cameron gone way beyond the remit of getting fraudsters he now fueling the hatred. If he thought this would not happen then he most stupid prime minister ever.

You will always get **** feel its crusade a call to arms to harras, attack verbal and physical those who been demonised by the governments.

You only got look at even tourist been attacked for being here. I witnessed it all they was visitors to the country people se foreigner/disabled instantly there thick brains engage to attack mode. I appoligised for our nation to the couple I felt disgusted. Its how found out by chatting to them they was on holiday. Just because was not in traditional holiday zone they was demonised.

Its sickens me to be british way thick people are acting it happening across the spectrum of classes. Sheep who follow the claptrap speil from papers.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Seeing that you are a clever clogs l will give you one extra gold star Gary.:)

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

Say something for long enough not only will some believe it but it will alter the perception of more people so that they then see the problem everywhere and so it escalates and escalates. There was a time when the british public had the brains to work things out for themselves but that day seems to be disappearing if exists at all with self interest, hatred and fear replacing those values we used to hold dear. I don't altogether blame the public we have had a media for twenty years working towards the goal of having us at each others throats and they are now succeeding and getting what they want.

I wonder how much we will lose before common sense comes back and we start to ignore those who have an agenda not ours that has never been ours.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

You are impossible.

First of all the saying "its not affordable" is wrong, the government chooses where it spends its cash, the cuts are not because its unaffordable but rather the current government doesnt want the money spent in that way. Since they have got elected numerous expenditures of cash have been carried out including.

writing off of over 20billion worth of tax to large companies.
commiting to a high speed rail link.
offering cash for extra waste collections to councils.
freezing international aid and nhs expenditure, the international aid as it turns out is a complete joke with india mocking us saying they didnt want it.
giving tax cuts out to certian taxpayers.
giving tax cuts to businesses.

also if the government have no idea who is frauding the system (as you say) then how do YOU know? Of course they have an idea, it may not be 100% accurate but they will have an idea. The DWP figures will be the most credible as after all it is their job. The fraud figures may seem higher of course when people start thinking they doctors and can diagnose someone in the street if they a fraud or not and the government starts moving the goalposts on claims so it looks like many have been illegally claiming.

In addition to show how out of touch you are disability living allowance is not an unemployment benefit, its perfectly legal to work full time whilst claiming it.

So you someone who has no experience of the system has decided its too complicated and has excessive fraud. I think the truth is you just want your tax bill to drop.

What are you doing posting me figures that backup what I just said?

0.3% IB fraud
0.5% DLA fraud.

Thats about as close to zero as you can get and is very tolerable.

Whats funny is this 26k benefit cap will affect hardly anyone on benefits, the propoganda campaign by the bbc, the daily mail, the sun and the government led to that cap which has led to people thinking that a typical benefit claimant gets over 26k worth of benefits. Thats one thing however its a very different thing when disabled people are been mocked and threatened in the street.

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So you begrudge taking the poorest out of tax altogether by raising the personal allowance?

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I have not made an opinion on what I have listed just stating the government has shown they can spend money.

That tax cut where they raised the personal allowance I dont have a issue with for what its worth.

Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities
 

There's a good chance that a lot of people do actually think people on benefits get that much.

The lowest amount is probably around 3.5k

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you really aren't serious are you ? .Your biggest problem is you are only thinking of yourself and as proven by the post above have no understanding of what the government have to take into consideration when working out what can be afforded .Here's a little help .
As we all know unemployment is on the rise long term disability benefit claims have gone through the roof so that will mean less tax to pay for more welfare claimants which is going to keep on rising whith tax revenue falling ,not just this year but for years to come ,you see the government have to try to work out what the system is going to cost further down the line .The only way to increase or even maintain current expenditure on welfare is to either raise taxes or divert funds from other services ,services that tax payers pay for and risk losing so we can keep on giving lazy or fraudulent claimers free money ,we have supported them long enough

again you can't be serious .That is the ridiculous thing you have said to date ,it's fraud and it's obvious that no one knows it's being done untill it's discovered ,even the government accept this .

so you think it's a simple system ,you must be the only person who thinks that .

That just proves what a selfish individual you are .I want my taxes used efficiently an not wasted on people who can work but choose not to so i don't lose services that i pay for or have to pay more of the money i work for in taxes

you may want to read the rest of the link and try to understand it :rolleyes: here's a snippet

In Lambeth, use of voice recognition software identified over 18% of claimants as benefit cheats. As shown above, the government's national figure for housing benefit fraud is £290m. At 18% this would be over £3.8bn for housing benefit fraud alone!


You have to realise that tax payers are not a inexaustible supply of money and they are getting rarer every day ,common sense tells you (or should) that the amount we are paying out is unsustainable at current levels .....unless you inhabit some fantasy world where 1+1= 3