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Chris

15-12-2011 13:14

Re: Mind The Pay Gap? Tube Drivers 'To Get £55k'

While I agree the self-serving system of non-executive directors awarding their mates ludicrous pay levels has got to be brought under control, I'm not sure there's nearly enough money swilling around that system to fund such generous pay rises for all people whose jobs are as skilled as a tube driver, but not nearly so well paid.

Alan Fry

15-12-2011 13:19

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35345832)

Your right, maybe there is not enough money for big pay rises for all, but at the very least, can the pay gap between boss and employee be reduced, for example incresing the number of Employee-owned companies, like John Lewis

TheDaddy

15-12-2011 13:39

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35345803)

Evidently it was wasted on you, or left you quite bitter towards the profession if you equate a 3 year degree, a year PGCE, basically no paid leave as it has to be in school holidays and working 70 hours a week in term times with saying 'Mind the doors' and pushing a lever backwards and forwards for 35 hours a week, with 43 days of paid leave per year after a matter of weeks of training.

Evidently it wasn't as it was origionally a tounge in cheek comment to Maggy's post or does your "humour" only stretch to religious debates.

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Oddly enough drivers don't clean their own trains. They drive them

If only some one told them that as I know 2 that helped get the worst of "it" of.

Chrysalis

15-12-2011 14:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35345762)

4.8% rampant?

Try 16%, as in the 80s....

rule of thumb real inflation at least double official inflation.

4.8% is high in itself, actual inflation which is easily double figures is rampant.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35345812)

erm, how do you think the more people on £55k would get paid - from the magic money tree?

hugh you seem very out of touch.

from the elite top 1%.

Chris

15-12-2011 14:12

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35345872)

rule of thumb real inflation at least double official inflation.

4.8% is high in itself, actual inflation which is easily double figures is rampant.
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Sorry, you're not getting away with that. I hereby call your BS. Prove me wrong by providing sources to prove your statement (and this time can we please bypass the part where you insist the rest of us have to go and look for sources to prove it for you. It's your argument, if you want anyone to believe it, offer evidence to back it up).

martyh

15-12-2011 15:39

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35345810)

In my opinon, this proves that strong unions work, The only reason that Tube Drivers are getting £55k is that they have strong unions. If more employees had strong unions, they we would have less occupy protests and less people feeling less well off

What you going to say in 12-24 months time if the LU decide that the drivers wages are unsustainable and decide to automate the trains (which is very possible)putting all the drivers out of a job ...how strong will the union be then .If you look back over union history ,all have failed to keep members jobs if a alternative is available to the management .What makes you think this will be any different .In my opinion the tube drivers will eventually price themselves out of a job

Osem	15-12-2011 16:08

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35345883)

I'm still waiting for his 'proof' that "Germany seems to manage ok without financial institutes", so don't hold your breath will you.. :)

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35345959)

What you going to say in 12-24 months time if the LU decide that the drivers wages are unsustainable and decide to automate the trains (which is very possible)putting all the drivers out of a job...

It's all Thatcher's fault?? :D

martyh

15-12-2011 16:15

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35345984)

It's all Thatcher's fault?? :D

A classic example of "strong unions" pricing their members out of work and getting slapped back into reality

Hugh	15-12-2011 17:15

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35345872)

rule of thumb real inflation at least double official inflation.

4.8% is high in itself, actual inflation which is easily double figures is rampant.

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hugh you seem very out of touch.

from the elite top 1%.

So try living through 32% inflation (according to your "rule of thumb"...;)).

From an out of touch viewpoint, I calculated that the average salary is £24k, so it is proposed that we pay 99% of the population an extra £31k (on average). According to the latest stats, there are 29.11 million people in work, so we would need to find an extra £893 billion to pay the "99%" an average salary of £55k, like the Tube drivers, with a total wage bill for the "99%" of £1,601 billion.

(the forecast GDP for the UK in 2011 is £1,562 billion).

Osem	15-12-2011 17:51

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35346029)

So try living through 32% inflation (according to your "rule of thumb"...;)).

From an out of touch viewpoint, I calculated that the average salary is £24k, so it is proposed that we pay 99% of the population an extra £31k (on average). According to the latest stats, there are 29.11 million people in work, so we would need to find an extra £893 billion to pay the "99%" an average salary of £55k, like the Tube drivers, with a total wage bill for the "99%" of £1,601 billion.

(the forecast GDP for the UK in 2011 is £1,562 billion).

It's only numbers though Hugh and we can simply take that money off the top 1% we hear so much about. I mean they'll certainly hang around in the good old UK and pay all those extra taxes just to make them feel better about life won't they..... :rolleyes:

Chrysalis

15-12-2011 20:48

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35345883)

Its not hard at all.

food up by huge amounts this year alone, food I regurly buy has gone up about 30% and even managed to go up during a supposed promotion.

electric/gas up by huge amounts.

The official inflation figures get smothered down by luxury items which dont really come into basic living costs. Also if you checked into it you would find out the games played with swapping items around that are listed to get lower reported figures.

Do you honestly think inflation was running at 2% during the 200x period and is now only 4.8% now?

Maybe you well off that you dont notice these things. I dont know.

You believe everything you told by the bbc and government?

Hugh	15-12-2011 22:43

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Wow!

Amazing how you have been allowed to say this, as it has obviously been suppressed in mainstream media, especially papers like the Daily Mirror who would normally use this type of information to embarrass the Coalition Government.

btw, you never explained how we were going to pay everyone £55k salaries, when the annual wage bill came to more than the UK's GDP......

Ignitionnet

15-12-2011 23:03

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35346262)

Nationalise everything and charge everyone 110% tax rates.

Chris

15-12-2011 23:56

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35346186)

Its not hard at all.

Good. In that case I look forward to you providing the evidence, as opposed to anecdote and hearsay.

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You believe everything you told by the bbc and government?

That depends. But broadly, if it's a choice between properly-researched journalism and the ONS on one hand, and your soapbox on the other, let's jut say I wouldn't consider taking your word over theirs to be the optimum choice.

Osem	16-12-2011 09:52

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35345791)

I reckon bus drivers get a much worse deal than their underground equivalents. There's not much separating them from all the fare dodgers and generally nasty types they come face to face with on a daily basis and I reckon driving around London on congested roads getting shouted at, beeped at and worse is generally lot more stressful than driving a tube rain.

and, as if by magic......

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London bus workers 'could strike' for Olympics pay

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16202653

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Bus workers in London have said they want a £500 payment for being on duty during next year's Olympic Games.

Trade union, Unite, has written to bus operators on behalf of up to 28,000 employees raising the threat of industrial action if a deal is not agreed.

Should have 'kept my mouth shut' eh? :)

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35346270)

Nationalise everything and charge everyone 110% tax rates.

Nah 110% is nowhere near enough for all those fat cats... :D

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