ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase

[slowcoach]

anyone else had a letter about upgrade next MONTH to 10mbit
just got the letter today

just hope that all these problems get sorted very soon

The "Bloke in the Pub" reported ages ago that ntl would be trying to bring in the 10Mbs in September, subject to all the upgrade work being completed on schedule.

I think the idea is that when the BT 8Mbs starts in November the media will have to give ntl a mention in the same breath, dumbing the BT speed increase to some extent.
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Originally Posted by JeLLyMaN

FireFox has crazy download speeds at the start of a download, Or if its in the cache, But it could be real download speeds I guess. We'll just have to wait and see.

Windows/Firefox starts caching links when you enter a page, if you have enough memory and sit back a while when you enter the page then when you click the link the file will download (from cache) instantly. Now lets think about this, all this cached data is added to your download bandwidth, even if you don't click the link, not good.
Firefox/Linux does not cache links in the same way, so with Linux you can download more each month for the same bandwidth usage.
Windows tends to throw memory at everything in an effort to make up for its inadequacies.

[AndrewJ]

Can I ask now sorry for not reading back before I ask this but.


I am on 2mb with all there services with packs on, am I likely to get this upgrade in 2005 or late 2006? I would love it this year, if so would I have to get on 3mb quickly?

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Saxodriver

Can I ask now sorry for not reading back before I ask this but.

I am on 2mb with all there services with packs on, am I likely to get this upgrade in 2005 or late 2006? I would love it this year, if so would I have to get on 3mb quickly?

It all depends what ntl's strategy is, are they upgrading 3Mbs users first to encourage people on lower tiers to move up, or are they phasing things in gradually to confirm the infrastructure is coping as anticipated.

I imagine a lot of new customers will be joining ntl once the 10Mbs is rolled out, especially those with poor speeds on 8Mbs ADSL.
Christmas will be a big test with VOD available in many areas by then as well, ntl may be contemplating seeing how things go over Christmas before upgrading the lower tiers.

Unlimited tiers will be a low priority as they are only going to be attractive to the type of user that no ISP really wants if the truth be known.

[AndrewJ]

Thanks just I would need to justify to my gf who pays the broadband telly and phone, as I pay the water/eleccy/gas. Why broadband at 3mb is so important as I am the main user of the internet here right now.

So basically we do not know right now but going to 3mb can not be a loss considering the amount of internet I use ( I hardly sleep so its on most of the day unless we go out. )

[Downloads]

Slowcoach, you started this thread ages ago didn't you? Doesn't the man in the pub know the upload! How about if l sub a pint or two?!

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Saxodriver

Thanks just I would need to justify to my gf who pays the broadband telly and phone, as I pay the water/eleccy/gas. Why broadband at 3mb is so important as I am the main user of the internet here right now.

So basically we do not know right now but going to 3mb can not be a loss considering the amount of internet I use ( I hardly sleep so its on most of the day unless we go out. )

I know what you mean, almost £10 a week seems a lot to me as well, but as I get so much pleasure from it I prefer to make cuts elsewhere.
The one consolation is that I do get the speed I pay for although the service has been a little dickey the past few weeks during the maintenance upgrades but it is better than ever now.
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Originally Posted by gruff_rhodes

Slowcoach, you started this thread ages ago didn't you? Doesn't the man in the pub know the upload! How about if l sub a pint or two?!

The problem with upload speed is that it isn't headline grabbing, that and the fact that cable infrastructure in this country was only intended to have adequate upstream.
The fact that ntl would prefer more customers on their capped top tier may just make them up it somewhat to tempt a few more souls, but I doubt if the uncapped tiers will be anything like as much, the P2P users are the ones likely to bring the locality to a grinding halt if they had a high upstream running 24/7.
If we are lucky we may get 768Kb upstream on the top capped tier whereas I cannot see the uncapped tiers getting more than 384Kbs.
You can bet that ntl will try to make the capped tiers the ones that 98% of people choose to go for.

[Hom3r]

Current costs of BB
1Mb = £9.99 (14.99)
2Mb = £24.99
3Mb = £37.99

What exactly is 10Mb going to cost? Because as NTL say the upgrades will be at no extra cost. So does that mean that if you have a 1Mb service this will still cost the same 9.99 (14.99) on 10Mb?

If so this is not fair to those like me on the 3Mb service

[Hom3r]

Current costs of BB
1Mb = £9.99 (14.99)
2Mb = £24.99
3Mb = £37.99

What exactly is 10Mb going to cost? Because as NTL say the upgrades will be at no extra cost. So does that mean that if you have a 1Mb service this will still cost the same 9.99 (14.99) on 10Mb?

If so this is not fair to those like me on the 3Mb service

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by david.ewles

Current costs of BB
1Mb = £9.99 (14.99)
2Mb = £24.99
3Mb = £37.99

What exactly is 10Mb going to cost? Because as NTL say the upgrades will be at no extra cost. So does that mean that if you have a 1Mb service this will still cost the same 9.99 (14.99) on 10Mb?

If so this is not fair to those like me on the 3Mb service

I mentioned it earlier in the thread there will be differnt download limits depending on what you pay. So everyone gets the same speed but you will have a limit on your use. The only one I know is the 10MB will be 75GB per month.

So it will be like that I think-
10MB at 75GB = £37.99
10MB at ??GB = £24.99
10MB at ??GB = £17.99

[Hom3r]

thanx

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by slowcoach

Windows/Firefox starts caching links when you enter a page, if you have enough memory and sit back a while when you enter the page then when you click the link the file will download (from cache) instantly. Now lets think about this, all this cached data is added to your download bandwidth, even if you don't click the link, not good.
Firefox/Linux does not cache links in the same way, so with Linux you can download more each month for the same bandwidth usage.
Windows tends to throw memory at everything in an effort to make up for its inadequacies.

Erm, purely out of interest what does Windows have to do with Firefox pre-fetching (which by the way happens on *nix as well as Windows, as astonishingly enough it's the same source code). I hope your bloke in the pub is better informed about ntl (he's wrong about your other point by the way) than you are about Firefox implementations.

Not entirely sure either what the above has to do with Windows munching memory to make up for its' inadequacies, whatever it's still a far more complete and mature desktop OS than any *nix variety, and all OSes cache content from hard drive to memory, this is why *nix and Windows have page files and .dll / lib caches

Upgrades in September?!?! Vapourware dude. That was never a consideration, before you say that any delay is due to upgrades not being finished on time. September was never even considered as a possibility.

Just saying that to save people on 30th of Sept saying 'Bloody ntl where's my upgrade the bloke in the pub promised me?'. Also correcting some of the typical *nix zealot Win bashing.

[jtwn]

ouch

[slowcoach]

The thing about the †œBloke in the Pubââ‚Âà ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ� is that he probably knows which office waste bins to rummage through, even if he is wrong this time he still has a better batting average than any other source, so I am going to stick with him.




Just checked Linux/Firefox and for once you are right it is caching links so we are all doomed, 75gig isn't going to be nearly enough for the casual website browser, we will have downloaded megabytes at the new faster speed whilst we are deciding not to download anything, if you see what I mean.

Originally Posted by slowcoach

The thing about the †œBloke in the Pubââ‚Âà ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ� is that he probably knows which office waste bins to rummage through, even if he is wrong this time he still has a better batting average than any other source, so I am going to stick with him.




Just checked Linux/Firefox and for once you are right it is caching links so we are all doomed, 75gig isn't going to be nearly enough for the casual website browser, we will have downloaded megabytes at the new faster speed whilst we are deciding not to download anything, if you see what I mean.

Will have to look for bin rummaging wallys when i am in the Oldham office then

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Will have to look for bin rummaging wallys when i am in the Oldham office then

Nice one, you can't beat Northern humour.