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Old 11-05-2016, 22:00   #46
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So will this mean that we will not have the need for a TiVo? will we just be issued with a smaller device to access "the cloud"?
You can pay extra for a smaller device connected to the cloud that will offer several advantages over the current set-top boxes one of them presumably being speed. In the UK it will have Tivo software on it and in Europe, Horizon software.
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Old 11-05-2016, 22:02   #47
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So will this mean that we will not have the need for a TiVo? will we just be issued with a smaller device to access "the cloud"?
I guess so. If content is in the cloud, I guess an Amazon Fire TV type box would do the job?

There are good and aspects of cloud versus hard disc PVR/streaming service boxes IMHO. It all depends on the rules that are set around the cloud content (e.g. length of time available).
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We all knew that the cloud was the next significant step; trying to figure out exactly when VM would make that step was the difficult bit.

I guess based on what we've gleaned (kudos to Horizon on that front), it appears that the cloud is 'Coming Sooner' than many people thought.
VM or rather NTl: were supposed to be offering cloud based TV recording years and years ago. I remember reading about it (it was coming soon) I think it's when TW announced the TVDrive, NTl: wanted to join in. Each subscriber, it was proposed, would get so much free cloud space to record shows and access them wherever they wanted.

I would guess that this idea was scuppered by the content producers rather than NTl: not bothering.
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Old 11-05-2016, 23:21   #49
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So will this mean that we will not have the need for a TiVo? will we just be issued with a smaller device to access "the cloud"?
Perhaps, or perhaps not. I'm wavering on this. This is what I said on the DS forums:

I guess it could go a few different ways in regards to new hardware:

1. A full blown SkyQ type 4k, recorder box with large hard drive costing a lot of dosh to customers, (perhaps not VM). I think this is the least likely option.

2. As above, but like Sky, VM offer mini boxes for other rooms. So perhaps you pay for the "big box" and VM throw in the mini boxes.

3. No recordable box at all. All recording done in the cloud. VM offer mini boxes as an interface between the Superhub 3 and your tvs.

4. No boxes at all. VM release a Fire TVish USB stick instead.

What is clear from the webcast is that the cloud will be central to the new 4k service. How central is yet to be determined.

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I guess so. If content is in the cloud, I guess an Amazon Fire TV type box would do the job?

There are good and aspects of cloud versus hard disc PVR/streaming service boxes IMHO. It all depends on the rules that are set around the cloud content (e.g. length of time available).
I am eagerly awaiting to see how VM got round the copyright issues of holding recordings in the cloud too, unless of course they're not really recordings...

When we all last spoke about copyright and cloud related issues, I suggested back then that what VM might do is pull a sneaky and not really offer PVR cloud recording options at all. Rather, it would just be their current VOD/streaming services "repackaged" as being your own personal recordings.

But that's my suspicious mind at work, I'm sure VM would not be dishonest.
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box

I've never seen such excitement on this forum since the will-it, won't-it run up to the launch of BT Sport on VM. Happy days again.
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Old 12-05-2016, 00:36   #51
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I've never seen such excitement on this forum since the will-it, won't-it run up to the launch of BT Sport on VM. Happy days again.

Don't think i'd call it excitement tbh, just curiosity for me.
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I've never seen such excitement on this forum since the will-it, won't-it run up to the launch of BT Sport on VM. Happy days again.
As far as cable goes, there's been nothing to talk about until now.

So, we have new services coming, network upgrades and other things to get our speculative teeth into. Now if it all works well, then yes, good days indeed.
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I am eagerly awaiting to see how VM got round the copyright issues of holding recordings in the cloud too, unless of course they're not really recordings...
I find it interesting that all but a couple of channels are now available via MRS. I'm not sure whether that has been a linearly progressive increase or a whole bunch of them being added recently. That had to happen for cloud and multiscreen viewing to be available on any forthcoming box.
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I've never seen such excitement on this forum since the will-it, won't-it run up to the launch of BT Sport on VM. Happy days again.
All this lovely speculation.....
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I guess so. If content is in the cloud, I guess an Amazon Fire TV type box would do the job?

There are good and aspects of cloud versus hard disc PVR/streaming service boxes IMHO. It all depends on the rules that are set around the cloud content (e.g. length of time available).
To be fair what's happening in the UK pretty much follows development in the United States.

As an example Comcast a large US cable co is already providing Cloud DVR functionality as opposed to its satellite competitors Dish and DirecTV who use similar multiroom installations to that of Sky Q.
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To be fair what's happening in the UK pretty much follows development in the United States.

As an example Comcast a large US cable co is already providing Cloud DVR functionality as opposed to its satellite competitors Dish and DirecTV who use similar multiroom installations to that of Sky Q.
Interesting, just had a peek. Comcast X1 looks good. Interestingly, it offers 500Gb of storage so less capacity than Sky Q's 2Tb. (Not that this has a bearing on how much storage LGI will provide but an interesting benchmark.)
http://www.xfinity.com/x1a
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box

If you look at Dish Network they beat Sky Q with a 16 tuner system.

Interestingly someone posted over a year ago or so that they'd completed a survey from Sky which mentioned extra storage up and above the local HDD.
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Rather, it would just be their current VOD/streaming services "repackaged" as being your own personal recordings.
Not sure how that would work, especially as iPlayer programmes are removed after just four weeks. I wouldn't be happy only having a month's worth of BBC series - that would be a step back for me.
I'm reviewing my TV deal when my contract's up in February. Unless Virgin really deliver something special I'll be giving serious consideration to a Freeview recorder alongside NowTV (retaining my VM broadband). The current Horizon and TiVo boxes don't justify the high monthly bills I'm seeing.
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Interesting, just had a peek. Comcast X1 looks good. Interestingly, it offers 500Gb of storage so less capacity than Sky Q's 2Tb. (Not that this has a bearing on how much storage LGI will provide but an interesting benchmark.)
http://www.xfinity.com/x1a


I liked the last bit on the video with the lucky guy sitting in his pool.....
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Not sure how that would work, especially as iPlayer programmes are removed after just four weeks. I wouldn't be happy only having a month's worth of BBC series - that would be a step back for me.
I'm reviewing my TV deal when my contract's up in February. Unless Virgin really deliver something special I'll be giving serious consideration to a Freeview recorder alongside NowTV (retaining my VM broadband). The current Horizon and TiVo boxes don't justify the high monthly bills I'm seeing.
It will be interesting in how VM package the new set-top box. Obviously, they would like to charge more for it but if it is constrained by copyright issues then these could outweigh any benefits in picture quality and speed for some people. And I wonder if the size could work in reverse - eg why does VM expect me to pay £5pm for a box no larger than my mobile phone? Even if the box offers speed and capacity advantages over its current offering.

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I liked the last bit on the video with the lucky guy sitting in his pool.....
Yes, but wonder how long that tablet will last before going overboard!
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