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Old 20-02-2012, 10:24   #1
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Drought summit as rivers in England dry up

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17091256

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Environment Secretary Caroline Spelman is hosting a drought summit later as parts of England struggle with groundwater levels lower than in 1976.
She has invited water companies, farmers and wildlife groups to discuss the situation in south-east England, East Anglia and the East Midlands.
Ms Spelman said she wants the meeting to work out "preventative measures" that could be taken now.
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She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme many parts of the country had suffered their second dry winter and the likelihood of a hosepipe ban was greater this time around.
Mrs Spelman said water companies had managed to reduce leakage by 36% since the 1990s but there was still a danger of a water shortage
We never seem to learn any lessons on dealing with dry weather and planning ahead.
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Re: Drought summit as rivers in England dry up

It's not a problem. just put our bills up. that fixes every problem.
it even boosts profits.
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It's not a problem. just put our bills up. that fixes every problem.
it even boosts profits.
Can't see how that helps those in poverty?
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Re: Drought summit as rivers in England dry up

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It's not a problem. just put our bills up. that fixes every problem.
it even boosts profits.
And our bills are the dearest in the country down here Gary so perhaps you can dig into your pocket a bit more to pay for it.
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Re: Drought summit as rivers in England dry up

A dry Olympics might be fun... all those extra bods in and around London, drinking, washing and flushing toilets... or not....
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Re: Drought summit as rivers in England dry up

I didn't say I was prepared to pay more. I was just saying that increasing prices usually fixes everything in this country.

I don't know how far we've got with fixing global warming since, maybe they've fixed it and forgot to tell us.
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Re: Drought summit as rivers in England dry up

not suprising due to lack rainfall but why oh why did they let all that snow melt back to the rivers.

Why do our gutters waste rainfall why not go to storage tanks for collection to replenish resevoirs.

It makes no sense how backward this country is on water management. Resevoirs often in stupid dry locations net result is it evoporates and dries out.

There not collection buts in afluent rainy areas which then could pipe water to top up resevoirs.

Sure the Eco system in this country needs bringing into 21st century yes it will cost but all we do is fudge.
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Re: Drought summit as rivers in England dry up

Collecting and purifying run-off water would be prohibitively expensive as would the costs of pumping water from high rainfall areas, like Scotland to the south-east. We all know whose bills that would add to.

That having been said we as a nation are profligate with a dwindling natural resource that until now has been in abundant supply. Over population of the south combined with apparent climate change means we'll all have to be more frugal in the future. Water meters will have to be compulsory and I can already hear the squealing from large families about baths.

We didn't used to have separate bathfulls for every person/child every day and shouldn't expect to without paying for the environmental consequences. If you can afford to heat a bathfull with the price of energy today then you can certainly afford the few pence for water in it.

If you say it falls free from the sky, yes it does, so are you going to collect your own?

We already have a large water butt for the gardens requirements and washing the car.
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Re: Drought summit as rivers in England dry up

Paying more for our water will not solve the problem in the short term - It will only make the share holders more profit. We should have a national grid for water, e.g. pipe it down from the North or Scotland, more underground aquifiers are required in the chalk downs of Sussex.

I live in the north part of Kent and I am supplied by Southeast water which has the majority of its water underground.

I have noticed that most of our streams volume goes into the rivers which in turn goes into the sea. What a waste.... I believe that all the South-east is to be water metered by the end of 2014. Then watch the price go up and up and up just like the Gas and Electricity companies do!!!
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Paying more for our water will not solve the problem in the short term - It will only make the share holders more profit. We should have a national grid for water, e.g. pipe it down from the North or Scotland, more underground aquifiers are required in the chalk downs of Sussex.

I live in the north part of Kent and I am supplied by Southeast water which has the majority of its water underground.

I have noticed that most of our streams volume goes into the rivers which in turn goes into the sea. What a waste.... I believe that all the South-east is to be water metered by the end of 2014. Then watch the price go up and up and up just like the Gas and Electricity companies do!!!
But as I posted this is uneconomic:

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Unlike gas and electricity, water is heavy. Indeed, the average family of four uses water weighing about two-thirds of a tonne each day. Transporting it over large distances would require major engineering work and pumping operations that would consume large amounts of expensive energy.

Water is also relatively cheap. Crude oil costs around £214 per cubic metre, making it worthwhile to move oil over long distances. At around 80p per cubic metre, however, moving water over even greater distances would mean a significant increase in costs and higher customer bills.
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AFAIK The major aquifers in the south-east are already exploited to maximum, in fact there is always a danger of over-pumping them and causing inundation with salt water, as the aquifers are open to the ocean in the channel.

More stats on aquifers in the UK
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A dry Olympics might be fun... all those extra bods in and around London, drinking, washing and flushing toilets... or not....
Not forgetting the watersports events...could be difficult rowing a boat on a dry river bed
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Southern Water has applied to take more supplies from the River Medway to top up its barren Lamberhurst reservoir, which is just 41% full.
The company has asked the Environment Agency for a drought permit to top up Bewl Water after the driest 10 months since 1888.
The reservoir should be on average 88 % full.
If granted, the permit would allow the firm to change the terms of its abstraction licence for the River Medway, to take more water – under certain conditions.
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Collecting and purifying run-off water would be prohibitively expensive as would the costs of pumping water from high rainfall areas, like Scotland to the south-east. We all know whose bills that would add to.

That having been said we as a nation are profligate with a dwindling natural resource that until now has been in abundant supply. Over population of the south combined with apparent climate change means we'll all have to be more frugal in the future. Water meters will have to be compulsory and I can already hear the squealing from large families about baths.

We didn't used to have separate bathfulls for every person/child every day and shouldn't expect to without paying for the environmental consequences. If you can afford to heat a bathfull with the price of energy today then you can certainly afford the few pence for water in it.

If you say it falls free from the sky, yes it does, so are you going to collect your own?

We already have a large water butt for the gardens requirements and washing the car.
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We never seem to learn any lessons on dealing with dry weather and planning ahead.
We are planning ahead, soon as the oil wars finish we'll start the water wars and the best lesson we can learn is fixing the old pipes when they spring a leak, wonder how many billions of gallons we loose each year?
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Re: Drought summit as rivers in England dry up

I cannot understand although very expensive why a national water grid cannot be built its been talked about on and off for years.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...1466-30370853/
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