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Old 01-02-2012, 11:01   #1
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Falkland Islands: Tensions Rising

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It is wild, often wet, and incredibly windy - and it is the place Flight Lieutenant William Wales will call home for the coming weeks.

The Mount Pleasant RAF base on the Falkland Islands is readying itself for the arrival of most high profile search and rescue pilot in years.

His arrival here will be intentionally low key. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) insists this is just a "routine" tour of duty.

But many islanders think it is anything but.

"Everyone is so proud. It's great news. Everyone is patriotic here. To have a member of the royal family here to defend us is impressive," says Gerald Cheek, whose family have been on the Falklands for five generations.

The 70-year-old took up arms himself on the night of the Argentine invasion in 1982.

Argentina still lays claim to the territory and has called the prince's deployment a "provocative act" by Britain, coming as it does on the eve of the 30th anniversary of the war.

"Nonsense," says Mr Cheek. "This is simply sending out a strong message to the Argentine government that the British Government will do what they want to with their overseas territory. Why shouldn’t they?"
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16160636

There are also reports that HMS Dauntless is heading over to the Islands to patrol them.
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Re: Falkland Islands: Tensions Rising again ahead of Prince William visit

If it does go to war and by the sounds of it will it be a different type of war to the 80s and in what way?

All about oil again!
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Re: Falkland Islands: Tensions Rising again ahead of Prince William visit

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If it does go to war and by the sounds of it will it be a different type of war to the 80s and in what way?

All about oil again!
It's a big 'if' it gets to war, we have to be mindful that we cannot afford to get to that stage, we could end up with potentially mini wars all over the globe, you got the potential troubles in Iran, Syria not far behind and now this rears it ugly head again. Not good.
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If it does go to war and by the sounds of it will it be a different type of war to the 80s and in what way?

All about oil again!
Also because the people of the Falklands want to remain British and we are obliged to protect them.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:55   #5
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There are also reports that HMS Dauntless is heading over to the Islands to patrol them.
From what I hear it is just replacing a ship that is there.

The trouble is we have no carriers, the ones that are being built will not have the right aircraft to fly from.

So the Falktland will have no air defence
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It's a big 'if' it gets to war, we have to be mindful that we cannot afford to get to that stage, we could end up with potentially mini wars all over the globe, you got the potential troubles in Iran, Syria not far behind and now this rears it ugly head again. Not good.
I would like to think if we are having are own war we would get help from other nations as we have helped them.

I would also hope if it does happen we will pull out of these little wars all over the world to concentrate on the Falklands
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If it does go to war and by the sounds of it will it be a different type of war to the 80s and in what way?

All about oil again!
Well we can't project air power like then as we have no carrier fleet or Vulcan bombers.

There's always the threat of the submarines. Apart from that we'd better be sure to maintain control of the airfields.

Oil is always the prize. As it gets into ever shortening supplies there'll be more conflicts over it. That you can be sure of.
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From what I hear it is just replacing a ship that is there.

The trouble is we have no carriers, the ones that are being built will not have the right aircraft to fly from.

So the Falktland will have no air defence
The new ship we are sending up is all the air deffence we need apparently.
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I would like to think if we are having are own war we would get help from other nations as we have helped them.
Just like in '82 then - the US twiddled their thumbs whilst the French had suppied Exocet missiles to teh Argentinians
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So the Falktland will have no air defence
Don't forget the tremendous amount of work that's been done to upgrade RAF Mount Pleasant. It's a far cry from the undefended islands the Argentinians found in 1982.

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Just like in '82 then - the US twiddled their thumbs whilst the French had suppied Exocet missiles to teh Argentinians
The Americans had supplied the UK with Harpoon anti-ship missiles. Rather better than Exocet, which is one reason the Argentine fleet stayed in harbour instead of coming out to face them.
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Re: Falkland Islands: Tensions Rising again ahead of Prince William visit

We need to increase defence spending!

Also, if Argentina (with the help of other South American Nations) starts a war against the UK over all this and we win, this would improve David Camerons popularity, like it did to Maggie!
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Re: Falkland Islands: Tensions Rising again ahead of Prince William visit

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If it does go to war and by the sounds of it will it be a different type of war to the 80s and in what way?

All about oil again!
If it is about oil, it will be Argentina's desire to take it, not Britain's desire to defend it. The UK's interest in holding onto the Falklands has never had anything to do with oil.

As for how a second Falklands war would be different - well, HMS Dauntless, the Type 45 Guided Missile Destroyer that will shortly be patrolling in the South Atlantic, is unlike anything deployed in 1982. A Royal Navy source told the Telegraph this morning that it's carrying enough missiles - and sufficiently advanced control systems - to take down every warplane in south America, let alone Argentina itself.

Dauntless could conceivably sit off the Argentine coast, in international waters, detect every take off from every military airfield and drop each plane from the sky before it even gets to cruise altitude.

In 1982 we needed aircraft carriers because the Falklands had already fallen. They fell because they were inadequately defended. It would be nigh-on impossible to re-take the islands again without carriers, which is why these days they are properly defended. The Argentine navy and air force would suffer very heavy losses were they to try to invade the islands again.

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Just like in '82 then - the US twiddled their thumbs whilst the French had suppied Exocet missiles to teh Argentinians
The US provided invaluable logistics support in 1982 which were not widely trumpeted at the time because it was politically embarrassing for Reagan, who had supported Argentina's military junta as a preferable alternative to a communist government.

And the French were mortified at the use their hardware was being put to. They provided all assistance to the British forces to assist them in understanding how best to combat the French-made missiles and fighter jets the Argentie air force was using.
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Well we can't project air power like then as we have no carrier fleet or Vulcan bombers.

There's always the threat of the submarines. Apart from that we'd better be sure to maintain control of the airfields.

Oil is always the prize. As it gets into ever shortening supplies there'll be more conflicts over it. That you can be sure of.
Don't forget Vulcan XH558 (see left) is still in airworthy condition ... just as well we might need it some day (soon)
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Re: Falkland Islands: Tensions Rising again ahead of Prince William visit

We also have Eurofighters and soon we will have F-35s as well

We also have RAF Ascension Island and we could also use air bases in South Africa
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If it is about oil, it will be Argentina's desire to take it, not Britain's desire to defend it. The UK's interest in holding onto the Falklands has never had anything to do with oil.

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I think it has now .Interesting article here about the oil around the Falklands .Potentially there is more oil than in the entire North sea fields
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