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Old 31-01-2012, 10:28   #1
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It all about the Math.

Sky World+HD+Multiroom= RRP £72 Minimum (Monthly) (£864 yearly)

VirginmediaXL+Multiroom+Skysports/Movies+HD =RRP £76.50 Minimum (Monthly) (£918 yearly)

Freeview + Netlfix+DNS Tweak to access the US version of Netflix =RRP £6 (Monthly) (£72 yearly)
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Old 31-01-2012, 10:35   #2
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Re: It all about the Math.

Whatever suits your budget I suppose , personally cant see it being too long before Netflix close that loophole.
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Whatever suits your budget I suppose , personally cant see it being too long before Netflix close that loophole.
Its a loophole that does not harm Netflix, I use a DNS tweak to watch Hulu+ Netflix US, Get the UFC app on my xbox etc etc. If closing the "loophole" results in 10's of thousands of UK, Canadian, Australian, ,New Zeleanders and many many other countrys canceling there Netflix sub......................... Well Idoubt they are in a hurry to block it.

Also to effectively block it users would need Geo locked HARDWARE, with different chips/hardware or region key. Netflix is years old and people have been watching the US version for a long time.

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Whatever suits your budget I suppose , personally cant see it being too long before Netflix close that loophole.
Its a loophole that does not harm Netflix, I use a DNS tweak to watch Hulu+ Netflix US, Get the UFC app on my xbox etc etc. If closing the "loophole" results in 10's of thousands of UK, Canadian, Australian, ,New Zealanders and many many other countrys canceling there Netflix sub......................... Well Idoubt they are in a hurry to block it.
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Re: It all about the Math.

You need to factor in the cost of the internet connection for Netflix


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You need to factor in the cost of the internet connection for Netflix


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I disagree, You pay for Sky/Virgin TV to watch the channels. I do not pay for my internet to watch Netflix.

So take away Netflix I will still pay for my internet, take away the channels you won't carry on paying for your TV subs. So internet does not need to be factored in unless you get the internet purely to watch Netflix
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Re: It all about the Math.

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I disagree, You pay for Sky/Virgin TV to watch the channels. I do not pay for my internet to watch Netflix.

So take away Netflix I will still pay for my internet, take away the channels you won't carry on paying for your TV subs. So internet does not need to be factored in unless you get the internet purely to watch Netflix
But you do need your internet to watch Netflix is it not? So it has to be factored in.

You also haven't done like for like, as in where is your sports package and where is the multiroom?

I do understand what your trying to say but the last package is not the same as the Virgin/sky packages.
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But you do need your internet to watch Netflix is it not? So it has to be factored in.

You also haven't done like for like, as in where is your sports package and where is the multiroom?

I do understand what your trying to say but the last package is not the same as the Virgin/sky packages.
Multiroom simply needs a connected media player, TV or device. The American version of Netflix compares very well to SkyMovies considering price difference.

Obviously its not a solution for everyone but in these increasingly tough times its becoming an option for more and more people. It streams HD with 5.1 sound and the US version has movie we cant even buy in Bluray yet. All for £6 a month.

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But you do need your internet to watch Netflix is it not? So it has to be factored in.

You also haven't done like for like, as in where is your sports package and where is the multiroom?

I do understand what your trying to say but the last package is not the same as the Virgin/sky packages.
Multiroom simply needs a connected media player, TV or device. The American version of Netflix compares very well to SkyMovies considering price difference.

Obviously its not a solution for everyone but in these increasingly tough times its becoming an option for more and more people. It streams HD with 5.1 sound and the US version has movies we cant even buy on Bluray yet. All for £6 a month.
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Re: It all about the Math.

So you don't count multiroom in the Sky calculation because of a "work around", but count it in the VM package - why couldn't the same "work around" be used there, reducing the cost in line with Sky?
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Re: It all about the Math.

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Its a loophole that does not harm Netflix, I use a DNS tweak to watch Hulu+ Netflix US, Get the UFC app on my xbox etc etc. If closing the "loophole" results in 10's of thousands of UK, Canadian, Australian, ,New Zealanders and many many other countrys canceling there Netflix sub......................... Well Idoubt they are in a hurry to block it.
It's a loophole that may cause Netflix's content providers to move to streaming services that protect their content better. So, yes, it is in Netflix's interest to close that loophole.
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So you don't count multiroom in the Sky calculation because of a "work around", but count it in the VM package - why couldn't the same "work around" be used there, reducing the cost in line with Sky?
The Sky calculation includes multiroom

Skyworld £52, SkyHD pack £10, Sky Multiroom £10 total £72.

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It's a loophole that may cause Netflix's content providers to move to streaming services that protect their content better. So, yes, it is in Netflix's interest to close that loophole.
Well, I can get HBO, HULU+ etc etc and I know people in the US, Australia etc streaming Skygo off a relatives multiroom sub to 2 devices.

I think people simply stealing the content from download sites is a bigger issue. Netflix pay studios for rights for certain countries, Sky pay the same studios for rights to other countries.

If anything it will be Sky losing out, not the film studios. EG Sky have the Ondemand rights for Ironman2 for the next year. I can watch it on Netflix in HD 5.1 sound right now instantly.

Now that works for me..An if you want to tell me I'm breaking a ToS TOUGH. Go tell everyone that downloaded IronMan2 they have stolen it and have broken the law.

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It's a loophole that may cause Netflix's content providers to move to streaming services that protect their content better. So, yes, it is in Netflix's interest to close that loophole.
Well, I can get HBO, HULU+ etc etc and I know people in the US, Australia etc streaming Skygo off a relatives multiroom sub to 2 devices.

I think people simply stealing the content from download sites is a bigger issue. Netflix pay studios for rights for certain countries, Sky pay the same studios for rights to other countries.

If anything it will be Sky losing out, not the film studios. EG Sky have the Ondemand rights for Ironman2 for the next year. I can watch it on Netflix in HD 5.1 sound right now instantly.

Now that works for me..An if you want to tell me I'm breaking a ToS TOUGH. Go tell everyone that downloaded IronMan2 they have stolen it and have broken the law.
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Sky World+HD+Multiroom= RRP £72 Minimum (Monthly) (£864 yearly)

VirginmediaXL+Multiroom+Skysports/Movies+HD =RRP £76.50 Minimum (Monthly) (£918 yearly)

Freeview + Netlfix+DNS Tweak to access the US version of Netflix =RRP £6 (Monthly) (£72 yearly)
Strange....

When I go to the VM site, I get a different figure from you - can I ask how you arrived at £76.50?

I get £69.50 (which includes ESPN, unlike the Sky offering), for
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Re: It all about the Math.

Monthly cost
Your bundle

£30.50

Your extras

£46.00
Total

£76.50
One-off cost

£49.95

Your services
TV XL
TV extras
TiVo Service
ESPN
Additional V HD Box - HD activated
Sky Sports & Movies Collection
Sky Premium HD


Yes you get ESPN with Virginmedia but you get extras on Sky also but this is not the Sky v Virgin thread you seem to be trying very hard to turn it into.

I understand you are some kind of one man Virginmedia defense force but I really don't care. I was just pointing out for £6 a month Netflix is great value when compared to large companies like Sky, or even the small players like Virgin.
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Factor in the upcoming price rise for XLtv your looking at £78+ for VM a month
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How come you get a different price to the one I get from the VM website?

I get £39.50 for the "your extras". as shown on screen print.
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How come you get a different price to the one I get from the VM website?

I get £39.50 for the "your extras". as shown on screen print.
Because you didn't add the "Premium HD" pack which gives Movies and Sports in HD. Its included in the Sky HD pack. But seperate on Virginmedia.

Also if you include ESPN on Sky it would come to £80 because ESPN is discounted if you have Skysports so you would pay £1 more with Sky but get lots more channels eg

Atlantic
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ITV2HD ITV3.........................................Ha! I'm not going downt hat route, this is simply a thread to highlight Netflix as an option/Alternative.
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