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Old 25-09-2017, 21:17   #16
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

That's gender identity which is not actually anything to do with sexuality.
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

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That's gender identity which is not actually anything to do with sexuality.
I wasn't suggesting that 3 year olds are demanding sex change operations. It was a just a loose reference to 'sex' in the sense of them identifying with a different one as per the article. Hence boys wanting to wear dresses in school.
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Old 25-09-2017, 23:29   #18
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

Someone posted earlier wanting to understand the link to the current policy on academies and faith schools.
The Government is
1) "continuing to encourage primary and secondary schools to become academies"
2) Some academies - generally underperforming schools that have converted - will have a sponsor. Sponsors come from a wide range of backgrounds including successful schools, businesses, universities, charities and faith bodies."
This continues the policy of the last Government and the Conservative-led coalition.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...d-free-schools
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

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I wasn't suggesting that 3 year olds are demanding sex change operations. It was a just a loose reference to 'sex' in the sense of them identifying with a different one as per the article. Hence boys wanting to wear dresses in school.
Fair enough.

The reason I wanted to make the distinction is that the aim of the covering of the body in Islam is protect your modesty:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi.../hijab_1.shtml

As far as my understanding goes, that only applies to women (and technically men too) old enough to marry.

So whatever you think of the overall principle or the interpretation of what adults should wear, saying that children need to be modest is where the problem comes. Making them wear the hijab implies when uncovered they are immodest.
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

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Someone posted earlier wanting to understand the link to the current policy on academies and faith schools.
The Government is
1) "continuing to encourage primary and secondary schools to become academies"
2) Some academies - generally underperforming schools that have converted - will have a sponsor. Sponsors come from a wide range of backgrounds including successful schools, businesses, universities, charities and faith bodies."
This continues the policy of the last Government and the Conservative-led coalition.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...d-free-schools
Hello Andrew, guess who? Yes I'm the uneducated brexiteer who asked for a link to what you stated was tory party policy and as usual you came up trumps with a link that states nothing of the sort.

Just to refresh your memory here's the post of yours I replied to asking for the link

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Tory party policy is to encourage and state-fund religious schools in preference to council-run schools. Preferably with light-touch, red-tape-free regulation, And this, as the article explains, is one of the consequences.
You don't need to change extremists' views. Just don't hand over tax-payers' money to them.
Now, I'm either more uneducated than I thought or there is no mention of religion anywhere in the link you have supplied which also (my brain's starting to hurt with all this thinking) refers to Tory/Lib-Dem coalition policy on more freedom of education.

Would you like to try again?
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

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Little thing like the sexualisation of 4 year olds
WTF has this got to do with "sexualisation of 4 year olds"
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

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Now, I'm either more uneducated than I thought or there is no mention of religion anywhere in the link you have supplied which also (my brain's starting to hurt with all this thinking) refers to Tory/Lib-Dem coalition policy on more freedom of education.

Would you like to try again?
Firstly, I don't have an opinion on your education, I'm concerned with raising the debate on the involvement of religious organisations with education.
Secondly, point 2) quoted "faith bodies" from an official Government site. This was the policy of the Tory-led coalition and has been maintained by the current Tory government.
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Firstly, I don't have an opinion on your education, I'm concerned with raising the debate on the involvement of religious organisations with education.
Secondly, point 2) quoted "faith bodies" from an official Government site. This was the policy of the Tory-led coalition and has been maintained by the current Tory government.
State funding of Faith schools was not implemented by either the Tories or the Tory/Lib Dem coalition.

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Until 1997, the UK funded only Christian or Jewish faith schools (Muslim schools existed but were privately funded), but the 1997–2007 Labour Government expanded this to other religions, and began using the term "faith school"
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State funding of Faith schools was not implemented by either the Tories or the Tory/Lib Dem coalition.
Agreed but the Conservatives have significantly encouraged non-council schools through funding and enabled council schools to convert to faith schools. I appreciate that this was done with the best of intentions but it has resulted in unintended consequences as I have illustrated with the Evening Standard article.
I'm not against any particular religion, but I think that inadequate regulation has let extremism in and that funding of religious schools should be debated more robustly. All schools should seek to integrate children into society and to understand the country's values.
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

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WTF has this got to do with "sexualisation of 4 year olds"
WTF do you think Muslim women cover up then, perhaps this will help with your confusion

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...irl-aged-four/
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

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Agreed but the Conservatives have significantly encouraged non-council schools through funding and enabled council schools to convert to faith schools. I appreciate that this was done with the best of intentions but it has resulted in unintended consequences as I have illustrated with the Evening Standard article.
I'm not against any particular religion, but I think that inadequate regulation has let extremism in and that funding of religious schools should be debated more robustly. All schools should seek to integrate children into society and to understand the country's values.
At least we can agree on something.
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Re: Tory free schools policy results in girls as young as four forced to wear hijabs

There's a school by me and the parents dressed in normal clothes. mum would even show off her figure and wear tight leather trousers and high heels. dad would wear fashionable jeans and T-shirts.
the three girls would wear girlie clothes.

one day all of a sudden. after a good 2 years of this. mum dressed Muslim and hid her face. dad grew the typical Muslim beard and dark sunglasses?. and the three girls started wearing typical Muslim clothes.

I thought to myself who's had a word with them.
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There's a school by me and the parents dressed in normal clothes. mum would even show off her figure and wear tight leather trousers and high heels. dad would wear fashionable jeans and T-shirts.
the three girls would wear girlie clothes.

one day all of a sudden. after a good 2 years of this. mum dressed Muslim and hid her face. dad grew the typical Muslim beard and dark sunglasses?. and the three girls started wearing typical Muslim clothes.

I thought to myself who's had a word with them.
Or maybe it was a completely different family and it's time for specs (e.g a Mum who has a wonderful figure after 3 kids? )
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Or maybe it was a completely different family and it's time for specs (e.g a Mum who has a wonderful figure after 3 kids? )

It's definitely her. she still calls me Big Boy when she pops in for 2 minutes Tuesdays and Wednesdays


Nah seriously....
it's the same family. they just changed overnight.
and she doesn't call me Big Boy. she calls me Mr Gary.
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