TiVo TiVo Picture Quality - Page 3

Perfect Choice · 21-04-2011, 11:51

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Originally Posted by AlabasterLyn

There's always been a big debate about the difference between Plasma and LCD. I have always preferred Plasma, even though we also have 2 LCD TV's. We had our V+ installed where our old Samsung sbt was and although the HD picture quality is very good the sd picture is still not brilliant and it's only a 32" LCD TV so hate to think what it would be like on a larger screen

Appreciate that and always a decision to go for plasma or LCD.

The key issue with Tivo whatever TV you have is that Tivo seems to be the cuase of the slightly lower quality picture. V+ was noticably sharper in both SD and HD so it is the components/firmware in Tivo which is not creating as a good as picture as the V+ did to the same TV on identical settings.

Just did not expect to go backwards when getting the Tivo, VM really need to investigate as this should be basic stuff.

clinteastman · 21-04-2011, 11:51

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Originally Posted by DaBoz

Pass, however on V+ the difference between 1 and 1HD for breakfast news was noticeable. What's even more noticeable is the very poor picture on TiVo for me.

I really need to try on-demand HD to see how that fares, and experiment with the TV out settings, but getting time to do that with household TV demands is proving tricky!

Boz

I ended up reseting my TV settings for the input and started from scratch, PQ is a lot better now and almost on par with my old SA, still slightly grainy on SD but HD looks great.

DaBoz · 21-04-2011, 13:04

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Originally Posted by clinteastman

I ended up reseting my TV settings for the input and started from scratch, PQ is a lot better now and almost on par with my old SA, still slightly grainy on SD but HD looks great.

That's an interesting point. Just had text conversation with my engineer and he's going to help me sort it out, mainly by tweaking the TiVo output settings and the TV input settings.

Will try tonight, if I can prise the family away from the TV!

Boz

DaBoz · 21-04-2011, 20:04

I tried setting 720p only, then 1080i only (auto detect setting) and then both, and then those two and 520p and 520i all together. Nothing made any difference.

I tried changing my TV's settings, but there aren't any really.

I tried an On Demand HD program, Wild Africa I think, and although it was better, movement blurs the image. Still not as crisp and vibrant as SA V+

Any other ideas?

Perfect Choice · 21-04-2011, 20:16

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Originally Posted by DaBoz

That's an interesting point. Just had text conversation with my engineer and he's going to help me sort it out, mainly by tweaking the TiVo output settings and the TV input settings.

Will try tonight, if I can prise the family away from the TV!

Boz

Please report how you get on with those tweaks.

My installer was a backup (the planned installer's van had broken down apparently) and while he had been trained on the Tivo install, it was clear with a few questions that he did not know much about the features and he seemed to be more BB experienced for installs. I noticed he did adjust some frequency settings from an engineer screen on Tivo and he had to install an equaliser as the signal was too strong, but I wonder if some other fine tuning should have been done?

May be worthwhile for me to ask for a more experienced engineer to return to see if the picture can be improved from Tivo adjustments at least.

Is your engineer the person who installed your Tivo or somebody you know in VM?

jb66 · 21-04-2011, 21:29

There are no 'tweaks'. 1080 or 720. Your tv does the rest

Perfect Choice · 21-04-2011, 21:32

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Originally Posted by jb66

There are no 'tweaks'. 1080 or 720. Your tv does the rest

On what it receives from Tivo which is the issue as I am certain whatever Tivo is sending (versus V+ doing exactly the same!), all these posts of poorer TV PQ indicate something is not right.

jb66 · 21-04-2011, 21:51

My sa v+ is better picturewise than the TiVo, not much better but slightly noticeable. The tech can't 'tweak' anything. There is nothing to adjust. I think it's just the upscaling hardware in the TiVo that's not as good as the sa

Ben B · 21-04-2011, 21:58

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Originally Posted by jb66

My sa v+ is better picturewise than the TiVo, not much better but slightly noticeable. The tech can't 'tweak' anything. There is nothing to adjust. I think it's just the upscaling hardware in the TiVo that's not as good as the sa

You could probably adjust the TV picture settings anyway to improve the picture quality

TheDon · 21-04-2011, 22:07

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Originally Posted by jb66

There are no 'tweaks'. 1080 or 720. Your tv does the rest

If there are tweaks or not depends on your TV really.
If your TV has a decent upscaler then you can set the box to output SD as 567p and let your TV upscale it which could give a better picture than just having Tivo upscale.

DaBoz · 21-04-2011, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

Please report how you get on with those tweaks.

My installer was a backup (the planned installer's van had broken down apparently) and while he had been trained on the Tivo install, it was clear with a few questions that he did not know much about the features and he seemed to be more BB experienced for installs. I noticed he did adjust some frequency settings from an engineer screen on Tivo and he had to install an equaliser as the signal was too strong, but I wonder if some other fine tuning should have been done?

May be worthwhile for me to ask for a more experienced engineer to return to see if the picture can be improved from Tivo adjustments at least.

Is your engineer the person who installed your Tivo or somebody you know in VM?

See above your post for my results. Just done some more HD live prigs, like House, Eastenders, some Sky 1 HD crime drama and all look sharpish with a still camera, but as soon as the subject or background moves, it all goes very grainy and soft.

Given up tweaking. Just hope something improves, as this is just not very good at all, especially as there aren't that many HD channels.

Boz

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Originally Posted by TheDon

If there are tweaks or not depends on your TV really.
If your TV has a decent upscaler then you can set the box to output SD as 567p and let your TV upscale it which could give a better picture than just having Tivo upscale.

That would be ok, if you could easily change the setting. Leaving your program to navigate into settings and change output each time you flip between HD and SD would be very annoying. Can't see the wife going for that.

Boz

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Just tried 520p to let my tv do the upscaling and that's worse.

gordyb · 22-04-2011, 00:20

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Originally Posted by sniper007

I can't comment on TIVO yet but I will say this, Samsung vs SA box are 100% identical. I owned both for a while and did a comparison test. Absolutely no difference to mine and several mates eyes in both SD and HD. Anyone who tells you otherwise is mad as they are identical.

The samsung's sd picture was useless compared to the sa v+ it was so obvious it was embaressing,i was looking forward to getting it i couldnt wait to get rid of it.

jb66 · 22-04-2011, 07:07

If the SA has 100% picture quality, i'd rate the samsung v+ at 95% and tivo at 90%

Still would rather have the tivo over a v+

AndyCambs · 22-04-2011, 07:12

I agree with the comment about blurring on movement. It's almost like the picture is going momentarily out of focus. To be honest, it makes it more difficult to watch and strains the eyes.

fixerman · 22-04-2011, 07:19

I watched the snooker yesterday on BBC 2 and I thought the PQ was outstanding. Equally as good as the V+.